Thursday, August 17, 2006

death of children


recent death of large number of teenagers in a ltte run compound due to military bombing once again highlights why tolerating ltte and its activities will only result in horrors.

ltte through it's propaganda mouth piece tamilnet variously claimed that the compound was a 'peace village' , school, orphanage, training center for "leadership, self-awareness and first aid workshop"( lasting for 2, no 10, days) and that 43, then 61, girls died. (goto tamilnet archives and see for yourself)

government (which is engaged in beating back a pussy attempt to take over jaffna) claimed it was a child soldier training and transit camp and came out with a surveillance video from probably an unmanned aerial vehicle (though some reporters seem to think it is a satellite footage if so sri lankan military is receiving some serious help) showing brown clad people and some vehicles running from the compound after the attack.

media was not allowed in by ltte, sri lanka monitoring mission(slmm) and unicef representatives who visited said "while it did not appear to be a rebel camp, they had not ruled out the possibility they were receiving civilian defense training" and rather contradictorily "that it had been empty for some time”. while slmm said they only saw "the bodies of 19 people at a nearby hospital, most of them women around the age of 18". unicef said "they did not have access to the dead”, and "as of this time, we don't have any evidence that they are ltte cadres”. they also issued a statement saying that "according to press reports, the compound in vallipunam ...was bombed, reportedly killing as many as 40 adolescent girls. Some 100 children were wounded, many critically”, "these children are innocent victims of violence", and calling "on all parties to respect international humanitarian law and ensure children and the places where they live, study and play are protected from harm."(italics added by me)

as always media local and foreign parroted tamilnet like idiots. though after recently getting burned for doing so without properly indicating that fact, this time they were for the most part careful to include qualifications like 'rebels/pro-rebel website said”, quotation marks, etc. for a clear example of one that did not qualify them as ltte claims see here. (btw my complaints to the bbc about several instances of biased reporting (this was one i made several later) has resulted in several emails from various people from bbc and at least two regular visitors from bbc to this blog. i hope they are reading and taking remedial action.) most reports missed crucial details like inconsistency of ltte claims, lack of independent confirmation of number of deaths, qualified nature of slmm and unicef comments, etc. and most 'forgot' to mention the ltte's regular employment child soldiers.

however tendentious (with qualifications) media reports were they were nothing in comparison to the local peacenik's primary blog in sri lanka which as expected had a post consisting of ltte terrorist claims only. no more evidence is needed as to where their sympathies lie.

in the end what emerges from all this propaganda, naivety, and parroting, is that lot of young people subjected to ltte influence died.

this should have been expected because similar young people have been dying for a long time.

as unicef and others have previously noted there are more than enough proof that ltte has whole brigades of child soldiers. if past battles are any guide ltte considers them expendable sending them in waves to attack entrenched army positions knowing that most of them will die as they progressively weaken the army defenses, while keeping the veteran adult cadres as a reserve to deliver the final blow. this tactic has worked well for them in the past.

ltte probably find children easy to recruit and indoctrinate. those who resist recruitment are regularly killed.

so there is no doubt that children subject to ltte influence are at high risk of violent death, in actual combat or by government's (quite justifiable and inevitable) attacks on ltte installations.

question is what can be done to protect them from ltte.

it is here that all those who recommend appeasement and accommodation of ltte have come a cropper. most such people have shied away from condemning child recruitment. even those who have and others (like unicef) who have tried to engage ltte and persuade it to discontinue this practice have failed miserably. ltte as usual have reluctantly given its word several times with token surrender of some children, only to break it immediately afterwards. as always appeasement has not worked with terrorists.

all this only goes to confirm that only way out is to defeat the ltte (using a realistic but morally defensible strategy, not some naive pseudo realpolitik that never say how to deal with the very real military power of ltte) not wishfully hoping that ltte will come around if we gave it enough (legitimacy, power, aid, territory , or take your pick). for ltte, enough has never been enough.

as individuals who do not want to see many more such deaths,
  • don't appease the ltte and allow it to continue killing and abusing children.
  • don't help those peaceniks and defeatists who advocate such appeasement.
  • help those who want to defeat the ltte and free the children.

20 comments:

SIRA said...

Don't believe Tamilnet!
Here is an internal email sent by ICRC information head Davide Vignati,

"Dear all, we would like to draw your attention to the last case of manipulation/disinformation brought about the "50 schoolgirls killed" article by Tamil Net today.

Quote

... In September 1999, SLAF jets killed 21 people in a similar daylight raid. Commenting at the time, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said: "We can confirm that 21 civilians were killed consequent to the air strike at Manthuvil junction ... The ICRC deplores the fact that the air strikes were carried out in a civilian area."

Quote

This old quote - smartly put at the bottom of the daily article - gave the idea that today ICRC effectively confirmed the killing of 50 schoolchildren in Mullaitivu. Almost all the national media this morning called us to have confirmation of the above-mentioned statement. It's not the first time that Tamil.Net has the impudence to turn to such kind of manipulations.

Therefore, be careful when approached with questions concerning the ongoing conflict situation.

Thanks for your attention

Have a nice day

Davide

Keshi said...

I hope ppl who support the LTTE can now realise that they r supporting a bunch of child-killers.

Keshi.

aadhavan said...

wait a minute. The airforce kills the kids (they were innocent kids and not child soldiers according to unicef and slmm)and somehow it is the LTTE's fault. That's laughable. Just like the 83 riots were supposed to be the LTTE's fault. Grow up. If the UNICEF is not credible, their reports about LTTE having child soldiers is not credible either. It cuts both ways.

Anonymous said...

This might interest you about BBC bias. It's just not in SL.

http://www.shinesforall.com/archives/2006/08/bbc_reporters_b.html

Voice_in_Colombo said...

Add more things to the controversy, TamilNet today announced that the girls were attending a “leadership development workshop”. What the hell is this man? Yesterday, they said it was a Home science class. Day before it was a first aid class. Mr. aadhavan, you grow up first. There are more reliable way of lieing. TamilNet has frogotton the basic principles of lieing as well. Principle is, “If you say a lie, stick to that lie or admit the truth” Otherwise, you’ll have to say 1000 more lies to cover your first lie!

By the way, why the Unicef/SLMM/ and TamilNet so silent about the classified video released by SL AF?
Why don’t they explain the reasons for those attendants to the “workshop” wear LTTE uniforms?

Kautilya said...

The comment "on all parties to respect international humanitarian law and ensure children and the places where they live, study and play are protected from harm" , if UNICEF has actually issued it, is very interesting. I like to draw your attention to the "live, study and play" part of it.

Is this that the GOSL should not attack the places where LTTE get the children to "study" how to kill GOSL forces?

The very comment, if actually issued by UNICEF, shows that they have not grasped the gravity and complexity of the situation. This is nothing new. UNICEF and other agencies who are well aware of the LTTE activities of child recruitement have been handling LTTE with kid gloves - with the so called worry that if they are too hard , that LTTE might shut the doors altogether. In their earnest to "be in touch" with teh LTTE , they forgot the reason why they "had to get in touch " with the LTTE.

The results is what happened on Monday.

Rajeev said...

This discourse by sitting nut though it contains ,symtoms of truth , reeks of immoral appendage , a case of being a 'pacifist' when it comes to that issue of a state actor using maximum aggression.

First of all, the airstrikes, are acts of aggression and usually categorised in the offensive category. trying to preamble it as a defensive action is nonsense and accepted only by the sycophants of that particular order.


Sencholai, is an orphanage,and these were , STUDENTS, who were their recieving first aid training, of course sencholai(as the rumour mill has it) is known to produce recruits to the LTTE, but at the time and import of this callous bombing , these children WERE NOT ARMED CADRES. all attempts by government , showing some outdated imagery and usual biopics of child soldiers, has no relation or ethnicity, to the children who got affected through the bombing.One noted the government's almost disgusting attitude on the whole affair, switching the intrinsic nature of its arguments like criminals under interrogation. If they had the courage and the pluralism to stand up and say, yes we bombed, and yes they were children and yes we are sorry for it,it could have earned priceless gratitude for it.one is not so stupid as to renounce the fact , that their is maximum damage during war , and the governments childish attempts to dodge the bullet extravated an already bloody relationship,

next, sitting bullet,
i wish to highlight certain inconsistencies in your argument. one statement, which i noted straightawaay, u make, saying that children who died were around 18, this is WRONG, the commentators said they seemed to be between the ages of 16 and around 18, and they said that they saw only 19 bodies in the site, ALTHOUGH OTHER BODIES COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY.

i agree u cannot appease with the LTTE, because they want eelam,but u can appease with the tamils.no militay strategy will work if the government doesnt offer reasonable devolution, plus transparent information and accountability trying to dodge issues like the atrocities in mannar, trincomalee,jaffna,will win it few friends.i also belive that the government cannot win a full scale war but pursuing a political process, this approach already failed during chandrikas time, when she had full support to pursue both operation but she failed. so i cant see how it can work again

Rajeev said...
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Rajeev said...

my apologies for the grammatical errors in the post before, i was in a hurry.

i wish if u dont mind , sitting nut , to come to the question of exercising the military threat by the state actor (the sl govt) to get rid of the non-state actor , the LTTE.

the sl govt used the military option fully, (without calling for conscription or mobilising for a total war) during chandrikas time.she had the support of the IC, which MR doesnt have to that extent, he doesnt enjoy cordial relations with india, which is the international community, if anyone wants to argue with me, they can. he has botched the political process through the APC, so even that is not conducive towards towards a military strategy.plus given the general intransigience and foolishness which the army and the commentators on defence articulate about , they are losing the goodwill of the tamil ppl which excisted with them during the CFA.now dont tell me that the SLA can win the war with the LTTE without tamil support.lol


MR is obviously trying to give a set back to the LTTE in the east,he opened the new front(chk newspaper reports). but i think as in all wars , the damage is very hard to contain, it becomes a fog of war(mcnammon).

now can u answer these questions,

without an adequate political process (the apc is retarded) how can he win the war?

without indias support(IC) how is MR going to win the war?

with MR being in active coalition with ,ideologists, whose theories are outdated, how is he going to win the war?

and most importantly of all, with willing acolytes of the regime who are prepared to subvert the truth to suit their fancy ( i see a ready exhibition here, plus im sure the refugess who died in jaffna church were all terrorists), how is he going to win the war?

Manshark said...

/UNICEF said "they did not have access to the dead”, and "as of this time, we don't have any evidence that they are ltte cadres”.

What I don't understand is show such a statement can be taken to mean that UNICEF categorically said the killed were not "children."

What they' said is they don't have ANY EVIDENCE to show - which means tangible evidence. Let's say, HYPOTHETICALLY, the "children" had been receiving "training" on how to shoot - would they line up the bodies with the guns on them?

My question to people like Aadhavan & Rajeev is would the UNICEF or SLMM or whoever be able to find TANGIBLE EVIDENCE of a "first-aid training" class in session? And how WOULD ANYONE find tangible evidence of say a "training" seminar which is oral? Such as, say for argument's sake, a "convincing seminar" such as brainwashing?

aadhavan said...

the onus is on the government to be able to convince the objective international agencies that it was a military target. The burden of proof if you may.

sittingnut said...

sira:
i saw that before .
but thanks anyway !

keshi :
I hope ppl who support the LTTE can now realise that they r supporting a bunch of child-killers.
let's hope so.

aadhavan:
If the UNICEF is not credible,.
read first. what i said was that some media reports failed to mention the qualifications unicef included in the their statement .

If the UNICEF is not credible, their reports about LTTE having child soldiers is not credible either. It cuts both ways.
in the first place, unicef reports on child soldiers were compiled after extensive investigation.
this statement was merely an observation. most of it, as itself admits, based on other 'press reports'.
btw are you seriously questioning the existence of ltte child soldiers ? well i suppose a ltte apologist like you believes ltte does no wrong.

they were innocent kids and not child soldiers according to unicef and slmm
in fact it is not simple as that. read their statements not the propaganda quoting them .

the onus is on the government ..
i think they have shown more than enough to create doubt on ltte claims . and that is reflected in most later news reports.

anon at 8/17/2006 9:44 am
thanks for the link
yes there seem to be a certain lack of balance in bbc's culture.

voice_in_colombo
good points
read your posts on the subject.
lets hope that more they do this sort of thing less their credibility be .

kautilya
unicef did issue it .
UNICEF, shows that they have not grasped the gravity and complexity of the situation.
yes agree with you . that is why they should not issue statements without proper study by qualified individuals.
otherwise they will get abused for propaganda purposes.

you are right about that their mission should be to serve the children not keeping good relations with ltte.

rajeev:
when it comes to that issue of a state actor using maximum aggression
state is hardly using maximum aggression. wake up.

air strikes can be defensive. they are being used to hamper the very real offensive attempted by ltte in to jaffna.

but at the time and import of this callous bombing , these children WERE NOT ARMED CADRES.
how do you know that?
as you admit it was a known ltte training center. ltte is attacking. it is justifiable to attack ltte installations.

all attempts by government , showing some outdated imagery
out dated? no.

they had the courage and the pluralism to stand up and say, yes we bombed, and yes they were children and yes we are sorry for it,it could have earned priceless gratitude for it
they did not admit it bc they do not believe that.
evidence as it stand is inconclusive at best . imo they were child soldiers or very close to that .

u make, saying that children who died were around 18, this is WRONG
i did not say that . slmm said that. see the linked reports where they are so quoted .

the commentators said they seemed to be between the ages of 16 and around 18, and they said that they saw only 19 bodies in the site, ALTHOUGH OTHER BODIES COULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY.
can you link the report that say that ? even if yo can it only shows slmm's inconsistency . since they said some thing different to other reporters.

u can appease with the tamils.
appease is not the correct word with regard to tamils.
tamil grievances should be addressed but ltte should not be appeased .
at no time should anyone confuse tamils with ltte .

whether we like it or not only way out is to defeat the ltte. see the link in my post as to how that may be done.
your defeatism it is way too premature .

he opened the new front(chk newspaper reports)
you have no idea what is happening, do you ?

manshark
slmm and unicef statements are in fact not conclusive, one way or the other. they were used( abused rather ) by propagandist and some journalists without mentioning all the qualifications and circumstances.

aadhavan said...

snut,
It's not enough to create what you think to be doubt. If you want to kill kids you should be pretty darned capable of proving they were soldiers.

sittingnut said...

aadhavan:
don't limit yourself to ltte propaganda, then you will notice the change in the attitude of the new news reports compared to ones two days ago.

as for killing kids you approve them as a matter of course, don't you? as an open ltte apologist .

Rajeev said...

hey sitting nut, a retort for your comments.... im sorry to say i found them unconvincing.

state is not using maximum aggression!!!! this is a funny diatribe surely, have u forgotten , the tri -services being used plus the curfews and the food blockades, and if u dont think airforce power is an offensive, im not going to waste my time trying to impart knowledge.FYI , the govt used air power to hit LTTE areas for any flimsy excuse even before the north attack, the airforce bombed several LTTE areas during their attempts to get mavil aru, most of which were supposedly unconnected to mavil aru(SLMM)


look sitting nut, do u know that trinity college in kandy produces recruits for the army, ppl like parami and kobbekaduwa are from trinity, so does that make it an excuse for the LTTE to bomb trinity since it produces recruits ???? your logic is insipid!!

the bombed have now been provided with names and the echools they attended.that is reasonable evidence to prove their school status ,that has been further augmented by a DBSJ article in transcurrents, i suggest u read the article , without trying to behave like the three monkeys, when somthing that is unpleasant is dangled before your nose. your former ranting about DBSJ being pro LTTE, shows that u havent read his articles consistently or fully, reading the anti LTTE dispatches and categorising the anti-state dispatches as being pro-LTTE counts as not reading , ill come back to this odd-phenomenon we see among ppl like u later.

as for government evidence, it says it has collected evidence from time immemorial(according to them) to prove that these were child soldiers, and provides a video(which i saw) of the most flimsy,inconclusive kind.its another well known case of thegovt shooting itself in the foot, please dont try to prove the govt case by providing nonsense like that.

u havent even fully read my response early, when i say appease the tamils , i mean devolution!!! no where in the response did i indicate that the LTTE and tamils are one singular identity, i further went on to say that u cant appease the LTTE but that u have to provide devolution to the tamils,stop confusing yourself.


i saw your strategy much earlier to defeat the LTTE, though i found it to be vague and inconclusive , you have proved it yourself in your conversations supporting the actions of the govt now , that it cannot work and can only can make the LTTE stronger, i posed those four questions to you in that light, questions which u havent still responded for!!!

dude i have been reading almost all newssources since this imbroglio began , the govt hasnt still captured mavil aru (read yesterdays daily mirror)this new front which the govt announced was mayb to attain mavil aru
(it probably was to reduce the LTTE presence in sampur), therefore the LTTE attacked the north, if the govt says it did not expect this or that its an offesive, it shows two things either u dont know what u are saying or that the govt is being run by fools.

to the question of the LTTE being made stronger, i have gone into that issue with those four questions, if u analyse them, u itself can see that the its happening, by intransgience of the govt and commentators like u, the tamils are being driven more towards the LTTE ( especially the bizarre cases of identifying anyone killed by the govt as terrorists, if that is the case, then sri lanka must be having weaponry not developed anywhere else in the world) tamil nadu yesterday passed a resolution condeming the bombing,and articulated about sending a fact finding mission(unprecedented) alreadly the international tide is turning...

i disagree with your analysis that anyone killed by teh govt must be terrorists and a ignorant refusal to accept it as otherwise, this according to me is non negotiable and un acceptable, civilians are the biggest casualties in wars and especially the civilians living in war areas that makes them predominately tamil.

Manshark said...

RAJEEV ABOVE: "do u know that trinity college in kandy produces recruits for the army, ppl like parami and kobbekaduwa are from trinity, so does that make it an excuse for the LTTE to bomb trinity since it produces recruits ????"

I always thought there was a difference between a person choosing to join the ranks of the forces and being forced to do so/ forced to undergo training as part of their "school" curriculum.

It must be my logic that's flawed.

sittingnut said...

rajeev :
state is not engaged in maximum aggression. it is not starting offensives. only offensives to date has been the mavil aru one.
on the other hand terrorists started the muttur attack, and several offensives in jaffna. all have failed
mere air bombings can be used to help offensive and defensive operations they cannot be termed offensive operations in themselves. in this case they are used defensively to prevent and disrupt ltte's ground operations and supplies.

look sitting nut, do u know that trinity college in kandy produces recruits for the army, ppl like parami and kobbekaduwa are from trinity, so does that make it an excuse for the LTTE to bomb trinity since it produces recruits ???? your logic is insipid!!
who is insipid can easily be seen from above.
correct comparison would be with kothalawela defense academy not trinity college .
but ltte like you is not capable of distinguishing the difference . they might actually bomb the trinity.

dbs jeyaraj is pro ltte now. which coward wouldn't be after getting beaten up .
he now gives public advice to ltte on how to conduct operations ( not that they listen to him ) and win war. he excuses ltte's attempts ethnically cleanse muttur of muslims. if you think that is not pro ltte, that shows what you are.

of course ppl killed had names they may have attended schools but are you saying ltte child soldiers do not have names? or they have never attended school ? and how do you explain the fact that slmm saw only 19 bodies of both men and women aged around 18 and unicef nothing ?

as i said before the evidence is inconclusive with regard to who were the victims in the specific case, but they were certainly in a ltte compound ( government has provided conclusive proof that it was a ltte installation including pics). government was justified in bombing a ltte installations.

u cant appease the LTTE but that u have to provide devolution to the tamils
so? i have said that in this blog many times.
only problem is that since there will be no legitimate representatives of tamils as long as ltte with its insistence sole representative status remains, any practical effort to devolve power must involve defeating ltte. fudging that like you do wont work, face the reality .

as for your insipid questions, i directed you to my earlier post where i described a realistic and morally defensible policy that is in fact the only viable one.
but if you insist here is what i think of yor questions.

without an adequate political process (the apc is retarded) how can he win the war?
all political processes to devolve power without legitimate tamil representatives are retarded. that is why ltte should be defeated.
government might propose a devotion proposal unilaterally (with or without other political parties' support ) but advantages of that is limited. it wont make much difference except on pr. pr does not win wars.

without indias support(IC) how is MR going to win the war?
?!who said india's active support is essential. they will continue to do what they are doing now.
that and the fact that nobody is going to help terrorists ( in spite of false hopes of some ltte sympathizers in tamil nadu ) will be enough .

with MR being in active coalition with ,ideologists, whose theories are outdated, how is he going to win the war?
what is important is what he is doing. not what his allies are saying ( or what you think they are saying ) . get that .

and most importantly of all, with willing acolytes of the regime who are prepared to subvert the truth to suit their fancy ( i see a ready exhibition here, plus im sure the refugess who died in jaffna church were all terrorists), how is he going to win the war?
i suppose you now drop the false allegation inside the question( picked up from some ltte propaganda) given that you have no evidence even flimsy ones ?
what is the truth according to you ? ltte propaganda ? fact is all the operations ltte launched recently failed and that is not a subversion of truth . who is in control in muttur, mavilaru, jaffna fdls? military or the ltte ? then face the truth.

this new front which the govt announced was mayb to attain mavil aru ....it probably was to reduce the LTTE presence in sampur
:-) in case you do not know mavil aru operation started some time ago it is not 'new'?
you have no idea what you are talking about or where sampur is, do you? government has been pounding sampur from the beginning it has not started a ground operation there .

LTTE being made stronger... alreadly the international tide is turning
dream on .
as for tamil nadu what do you expect? they will pass resolutions if a cow in jaffna gets hurt. that is politicians doing their thing there .

bizarre cases of identifying anyone killed by the govt as terrorists
so in addition to you believing ltte propaganda unquestioningly you take army propaganda claims seriously without question as well? .
see the post above, i presented both cases with other facts. and said that,.
in the end what emerges from all this propaganda, naivety, and parroting, is that lot of young people subjected to ltte influence died.
maybe you too should examine the evidence before jumping to conclusions.

and yes there is so called 'collateral damage'( thogh probably not in this case ) but that is inevitable. if you think ltte is going to get defeated or repulsed with out that kind of thing you are dreaming. propaganda from both sides will make whatever use they can. just don't believe any of that without questioning them.

i disagree with your analysis that anyone killed by teh govt must be terrorists and a ignorant refusal to accept it as otherwise,
quote where i said that . can't you even read ?
i however do not accept propaganda without question

this according to me is non negotiable and un acceptable, civilians are the biggest casualties in wars and especially the civilians living in war areas that makes them predominately tamil.
fisrt don't say things you don't know without evidence to back you up.
second whether you like it or not ltte is the one attacking, government is open to talks and ceasefire
third as long as ltte exits it will engage in activities that will put civilians in jeopardy. government is duty bound to protect civilians and the state. that may result in some civilian deaths but that also protects other civilians from death and other crimes like ethnic cleansing .

for instance what do you think government should have done when it was attacked in muttur ? give the town up and accept ethnic cleansing ? or bomb ltte positions supporting the ltte attack while beating the attack back, even though that may kill some civilians that ltte probably use as human shields?

get real!
in reality the best way to protect civilians in war and in peace is to defeat the ltte ( by war or by negotiations)

manshark:
i think as ddm pointed out in your blog conscripts are treated as legitimate military targets by enemy.

Anonymous said...

Rajeev
Apart from a great show of your writing skills & the use of every imaginable word in the dictionary you didn’t say very much in your first post. Infact it was such a plethora of words, the message you were trying express was muddled in the mixed up words of the English language.

Your subsequent posts are more in line with a discussion.

"look sitting nut, do u know that trinity college in kandy produces recruits for the army, ppl like parami and kobbekaduwa are from trinity, so does that make it an excuse for the LTTE to bomb trinity since it produces recruits ???? your logic is insipid!!"

Hehehehehe I am pissing myself laughing at this comparison.
No need to say anything. The para itself speaks volumes of Rajeev’s logical reasoning.

Kautilya said...

Sri Lanka is a Democratic Socialist Republic. It has a constitution, a parliament , a judiciary and other institutions based on democratic princples. There is a standing regular military, maintain by the tax payers money, to defend against the challenges thrown at the democratic principles, the institutions and human life by internal and external threats.

What is taking place today is a natural reaction of a responsible and democratic state to such a threat. A threat that is so dangerous that the only historical parallel to it is the rise of the Nazism in Germany in 1930's.

In successfully meeting this challenge and protecting the citizens and property, if force has to be used, so be it. The discussion on the terms such as "defensive", "offensive", "maximum force vs minimum force" are only of academic interest.

The western democracies gave a free hand to Corporal Hitler to come to power and massacre milions of Jews. It allowed the Germans to suppress and slaughter minorities. Until Corporal Hitler turned his guns on the very democracies who were preaching restraint, disarmement and peace talks.

Today when they hear the words "genocide", "suppression of minorities" etc, their collective memories go back to those pre-war times. And they try to draw parallels - and end up supporting the Clone of the Corporal Hitler. The UN agencies that are predominantly manned by the Western Eurpeans follow suit.

It s a long march - for democracies such as ours. What is important for the GOSL is to keep the initiative with the GOSL. LTTE is beaten and bruised but it is far from defeated. What the LTTE is doing today is "Test Marketing".

1. It is trying to figure out the military capabilities - how many fronts can the military defend? What is the deployment pattern?Intelligence capabilities?

2. It is gauging the reaction of the aid agencies? united nations? Co-chairs?

3. It is checking the reactions of the opposition? southern masses?

4. Gauging the reaction of the tamil diaspora. etc etc

Its using all this feedback to formulate its next strategy . The job of the GOSL is to attack that "Strategy" of LTTE.

The GOSL has successfully attacked the current "Strategy" of the LTTE and we hope that GOSL will be able to carry forward the good work.

Rajeev said...

sitting nut , thanks for replying ... im sorry for the time lag that it took me to reply (i was busy,running here and there).i am afraid prolixity is not alien to myself, therefore my repertoire will tend to be on the lengthy side.

MANSHARK,I always thought there was a difference between a person choosing to join the ranks of the forces and being forced to do so/ forced to undergo training as part of their "school" curriculum.

It must be my logic that's flawed

rajeev:
hum..humm...hum..(jus kidding), so by your simpleton reasoning, i suppose it is within the rights of a "government of majority" to bomb children, just on the pretence that these children will become soldiers,on the distinction of 'conscription'.

yes, you are correct, your argument is INSIPID, and i suggest you go and brush up on morality, without trying to facilitate arguments exogenous to your system.

s/nut.
state is not engaged in maximum aggression. it is not starting offensives. only offensives to date has been the mavil aru one.
on the other hand terrorists started the muttur attack, and several offensives in jaffna. all have failed
mere air bombings can be used to help offensive and defensive operations they cannot be termed offensive operations in themselves. in this case they are used defensively to prevent and disrupt ltte's ground operations and supplies.

rajeev:
this argument is hypothetical, the people, the civilians , in LTTE areas or uncleared areas(as the terminology requires), will not see it in that light. killing and blockading will not subscribe to that argument. the state might see itself in a defensive posture (or more likely its arm chair patrons)but when instances occur, where excessive force is deployed(the killing of children in sencholai) then its clearly a case of being in offensive. let me refresh your memory , during the mavril aru episode, the govt,attacked far away uncleared areas as in near batticolo, was it to help karuna or mavil aru, that bombing was conducted their, i leave it to you.

s/nut:
who is insipid can easily be seen from above.
correct comparison would be with kothalawela defense academy not trinity college .
but ltte like you is not capable of distinguishing the difference . they might actually bomb the trinity.

rajeev:
ok, im humble and gracious enough to accept that the parallel i drew upon needed more distinction and was in essence something which i drew opun at the 'heat of the moment' so to spk.saying that, however i dont back away from the argument that evidence ,as in this moment, proves that children died, and the governments extravagant banquet of lies on this issue, as fallen on a coterie of deaf ears.

s/nut
dbs jeyaraj is pro ltte now. which coward wouldn't be after getting beaten up .
he now gives public advice to ltte on how to conduct operations ( not that they listen to him ) and win war. he excuses ltte's attempts ethnically cleanse muttur of muslims. if you think that is not pro ltte, that shows what you are

rajeev:
man, it sure is sunny in colombo right now ,aint it? . about a month or so back(i dont exactly remember when)DBS jeyaraj wrote an artcle , laying tribute to rajiv gandhi and his vision. he expounded that the provincial council system, was the best devolution package the tamils had,and that they should have accepted it. for a front running tamil intellectual, who is widely read, arguing for a case of devolution centred upon provincial council, means the death penalty from the LTTE leadership.even in his most recent article on loganathan, he articulates that the LTTE could have used 'thugs' from colombo to commit the crime, and praises loganathan , as a moderate nationalist for tamil rights within the contours of non-violence,the nitharsanam website described loganathan as a 'traitor' among other not so generous words.these are just the two 'recent' analogies i would like
to draw upon to prove that DBS jeyaraj hardly fits into the prescriptive description of a pro-LTTE'er.

however, i can understand why 'you' among many others view him as a 'terrorist'. DBS jeyaraj views the present MR's govt has more 'dangerous' to tamil aspirations than the LTTE. he wrote a 'disturbing'(for the tamils) article about MR, whether he is correct or not time will tell, but MR's defence has not been helped by appointing a man to be the chief of the APC,a man who opposes 'significant devolution' and who parrots for the JVP in the de-merger issue,somthing which is even opposed by karuna,EPDP and others.Second, all those commissions investigating the crimes committed by the state on tamil civilians(during MR's tenure)have come to become empty shells. no one has been charged for the crimes,(therby encouraging others to follow in their skeleton footsteps)and this hardly raises the marks in the report card which the tamils mark for MR, after sencholai i guess it must be running somewhere in the 'failed category', although one hopes for a revitalization.

I am not oblivious to LTTE's cruelty, i know their well etched pattern of eliminating dissidents, and practicing all those 'dirty' things, which bring to shame the wisdom of human beings.one could say, that is why the LTTE is still a non state actor,answerable to no one. the government is different, it is a state actor, and accorded plentiful privileges by the IC, as amplified by international communiqu├ęs calling upon the government to act 'responsibly'.

i digress, from the topic but its not my fault but yours.


s/nut:
as i said before the evidence is inconclusive with regard to who were the victims in the specific case, but they were certainly in a ltte compound ( government has provided conclusive proof that it was a ltte installation including pics). government was justified in bombing a ltte installations,

rajeev:
as im writing this now,im hearing on the radio, that karuna is attacking ltte areas, what a coincidence. seems to be something utterly unexpected of doesn’t it? or was it expected?.

as you yourself say , the evidence was inconclusive, so all this hyper bola for nothing then!all your mutterings and pitiful exigencies which you distributed have ended up being utter nonsense, so if any innocent children are housed for a temporal period in an LTTE installation in the name of first aid or others, they are culpable to being executed by the state , without even token acknowledgement, if this is the govt u espouse?. Can i or any of the other citizens who digress with this thinking, facilitate with a government that is fascist and practises state-terrorism with impunity?......stop character assassinating yourself!

s/nut:
so? i have said that in this blog many times.
only problem is that since there will be no legitimate representatives of tamils as long as ltte with its insistence sole representative status remains, any practical effort to devolve power must involve defeating ltte. fudging that like you do wont work, face the reality

rajeev:
the LTTE obviously does not tolerate democratic participants from the tamils, however this should not be the 'raison d etre' for the govt to not devolve while the LTTE conducts military action.

thinking otherwise, like you do, accounts for flawed thinking.as long as the government does not devolve power, the govt cannot defeat the LTTE.LTTE will always be able to rein in support from the Diaspora or from here in sl.

and it is insiped thinking which you have amply shown to tell that devolution cannot be accorded when the LTTE is their.in 1995 tiruchelvem drafted a devolution package,which constituted of federelism,why didnt the govt implement it? coz the sinhalese polity comprising of both the UNP and SLFP couldnt agree or were in conflict, this has been the trend,from the b-c pact to the p-toms , its not the ltte which has stopped devolution but your own saffron clad politicos, or saville row suited imbeciles. as many commentators of great note like dayan jayatilleke have articulated , the govt has to provide devolution and then possible fight the LTTE, without providing devolution, the govt will be fighting a losing war. if you are so'scholarly'so as to provide an alternative thesis, you are doing so on the blissful
ignorance of regional,national implications.

s/nut:
?!who said india's active support is essential. they will continue to do what they are doing now.
that and the fact that nobody is going to help terrorists ( in spite of false hopes of some ltte sympathizers in tamil nadu ) will be enough

rajeev:
the futility of your argument , reaches its crux in this muttering which you have proposed!. today the American ambassoder,in sl, was the second in command in the u.s embassy in India, he played a big role during the drafting of the nuclear treaty and the securance of a strategic relationship which DJ quotes as 'the mightiest alliance in the world'.

your ignorance of the regional implication is further impounded, when u fail to realise the strategic dictum which is held by politicos of tamil nadu.

in todays govt let me tell you the ppl who belong to tamil nadu and are tamils.

national security advisor-tamil
president-tamil
finance minister-tamil
health minister-tamil
information technology minister-tamil
...
among many others...

do u remember 1987, when india dropped food over jaffna and forced the sri lankan army to stop the war. who did it? MGR and karananidhi and co... there was mass hysteria in tamil andu at that time...(if u know tamil nadu history ,than u will understand all of this,including the anti-hindi campaign, and tamil nadus special case within the indian federation)

Thst path of 1987 is becoming increasingly reminiscent now, after the rajiv gandhi assasination, the tamil nadu politicos removed themselves from the sri lankan issue, but they are becoming increasingly involved now, after sencholai, there are protestations and fasting onto death scenes. another one or two sencholai, and india will be forced to step in, u mark my words. this is hardly helped by the president being perceived as a hardliner (maybe correct).

s/nut:
:-) in case you do not know mavil aru operation started some time ago it is not 'new'?
you have no idea what you are talking about or where sampur is, do you? government has been pounding sampur from the beginning it has not started a ground operation there .

rajeev:
Another case of you not reading my posts properly. as i said,
all roads in mavil aru will lead to sampur, the question is will the govt offer token devolution before taking that path or not. with sampur the karuna faction cannot function effectively. and trincomalee is under threat, and if trincomalee falls ,jaffna might not be far off, so therfore the govts egging to get into sampur.MR in some shape or other wants to reshape the east.which obviously the LTTE percives.

s/nut:
so in addition to you believing ltte propaganda unquestioningly you take army propaganda claims seriously without question as well? .
see the post above, i presented both cases with other facts. and said that

rajeev:
ah ha.. here we have it, the final nail on the coffin!!!

your article is repulsive and filled with arbitrary judgment on the conduct of the army . making acceptable remarks when these children turn into cannon fodder. blaming the LTTE for bombs dropped by the airforce is hardly neutral , it is a severe case of a virulent paracholistic paranoia,(this is what u accept in your retorts, is it a case of xenophobism?) gripping you and many others. a demonstration of Zionism, one could say.i advise you to read your 'own' article and publically expunge yourself of being an acolyte. as i told manshaw above, 'i guess u need to brush up on morality', and while i am not oblivious to LTTE crimes you certainly display yourself as being a servile flatterer of the govt.

s/nut:
as for tamil nadu what do you expect? they will pass resolutions if a cow in jaffna gets hurt. that is politicians doing their thing there

rajeev:
(the writer scratches his head!!)

s/nut:
i however do not accept propaganda without question

rajeev:
(the writer almost fell from the chair laughing, could have hurt his thumb, asks mr.sitting nut, respectfully, not to creep up on him like that,with such a big blooper!)

s/nut:
first don't say things you don't know without evidence to back you up.
second whether you like it or not ltte is the one attacking, government is open to talks and ceasefire
third as long as ltte exits it will engage in activities that will put civilians in jeopardy. government is duty bound to protect civilians and the state. that may result in some civilian deaths but that also protects other civilians from death and other crimes like ethnic cleansing

rajeev:
this is the usual sort of drivel, the daily'noise' practices with consumate ease.

the government has the right to defend itself, when muttur was attacked, the govt had the prerogative to repel the tigers from mutur, im not disputing that.

what i am disputing however(like i did last time) is the question of the theatre of warfare to be expanded? and your acrimonious statements with regard to the children casualties at sencholai, under a veneer of cacophony.


as i told you countless times before, for the first time the political conduits are not in place,(i highly doubt the token devolution of apc will solve matters) therefore the govt , with this hang mans loose ,cannot hope to win the war.the sinhala polity must first implement a rightful devolution package, win over the tamils, and still if the tigers protest , go to war) your thesis of a abrupt complete war on the tigers will not work, it did not work during chandrikas time , and she had the support of the international community. your thesis will only reimage or bring to doom this country.

yes, the LTTE is also on the offensive now,but so is the govt.in my opinion it is the govt who started the imbroglio, if it had restricted itself to mavil aru, it would have been okay, but it went ahead to other theatres, as far away as batticalo. and as i said before, either you dont know what u are saying or that the govt is being run by fools,take your pick!! personally i think MR wants to take over sampur therfore when the opportunity of mavil aru came up he grabbed it with his sarong.

last but not least , your interpretation of the suffering of your' so-called citizens' in the war areas displays, yet again, a considerable amount of apathy.

(the writer is thinking why he doesn’t stop)

the second, last but not least, i have a line of demarcation on me, i dont share to the same degree the emotive reasons on why many tamils support the LTTE (humiliation, etc, prof kumar davids answer is exemplary)therefore many of my brethren would have more scathing replies to your article or could have termed u as a racist, which i will not do,and disagree with.those same brethren amply forget the LTTE's CV, which i will not do. i also know that the LTTE seems to be wanting war, as it helps its matters, as it is helping now in the case of sencholai. but the govt should know better, if the govt acts with impunity , without resolving the residual issues pertaining to tamils, then its merit will decrease and people like you, who refuse to accept a 'wrong' will only make matters worse.

Signing off. GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK!!