Sunday, December 06, 2009

degenerate bloodless shell of unp

for what does united national party (unp) stand for?

unp still sits at the center of one of the two huge webs of patronage relationships that act as arteries of political life in sri lanka, but there is no blood running in those arteries. it has fallen so low that it cannot even field a candidate of its own for presidency and resort to beating up probably hostile journalists covering its meetings.

once, unp used to be a standard center right party.

but is it now?
let's examine

unp for free markets and capitalism?
in 1977, then unp administration opened the economy. some unp governments have engaged in privatizations of nationalized institutions and liberalizations of markets. all good, and in right direction imo.

however, nobody in current unp, least of all its leader ranil wickremesinghe, has the courage to stand up and defend those things, or more broadly capitalism and free markets, based on principles. there is certainly no margaret thacher in unp. at most unp will say, that we are being forced to open up markets due to globalization or that world bank/imf conditions demand that we do this or that liberalization or privatization.

nobody in unp is willing to say that free markets, open trade, and less government, are benefits in themselves and we should adopt such polices anyway without being forced to do so.

in fact last unp government (2001-2004) even implemented anti market polices, such as imposing a guaranteed price for buying paddy which led to all sorts of market distortions and over production. leading to inevitable protests (including suicides) by farmers at both harvest seasons. current non unp administration has thankfully let this policy slide out of sight. does anyone remember when the last farmers' protest was?

under imf prodding last unp government did put a blanket freeze on government hiring but did not have the courage to admit it was doing so (let alone try to reduce the number of public servants). such half baked actions only make government even more inefficient in that blanket freeze prevented needed ppl from being hired, while wasteful overstaffed departments kept on being so.

there were many such half baked actions on the part of that unp government. half baked bc they were not based on a well thought out coherent philosophy.

current administration of course is not pro liberalization. one does not expect it to be. it was elected on an anti liberalization platform. unp now in opposition, has not been able to make a coherent case opposing policies expanding government and subsidies. in fact there has been no opposition on its part to such polices.

we cannot call present unp a center right party when it comes to economic issues.

unp on national defense
on national defense unp is more akin to a loony left fringe party than a center right party (governing united people's freedom alliance(upfa) is very much to the right of unp here) .

this is the main cause of unp's unpopularity.

unp let all sri lankans down by not supporting efforts to defeat terrorist liberation tigers of tamil ealam (ltte). when terrorists deprived and threatened freedom, human rights, democracy, and justice of sri lankans of all communities, unp chose a policy of appeasement.

it adopted an immoral peacenik 'peace at any cost' position advocated by foreign (and perhaps terrorist) funded ngos wholesale, even while bloody murderous consequences of appeasing terrorists was apparent to all. it remained obstinate when government under mahinda rajapaksa showed that trying to defeat terrorists with violence, if need be, was both moral and pragmatic. instead several unp leaders tried to belittle the glorious achievements of the military. they have yet to abandon these polices or issue retractions for their statements.

public's distrust of unp position on these issues is well deserved.

ethnic grievances
unp once had a solid base among minority communities due to historical reasons, rather than bc of any credible attempt to address their (very real) grievances. rise of race/religion based parties is a telling indicator of unp's short comings in both articulating and addressing those grievances. now these (let us be frank, bordering on racist) parties (thankfully split in to factions) determine unp policy in these matters. unlike upfa, unp has been unable to stand up to more extrme demands of these parties when it needs their support. so much so that unp was unable to field candidates for jaffna and vavuniya local council elections earlier this year.

in other words, unp does not have a policy on how to address any ethnic grievances that still exist. its policy will be determined by factions of ethnic parties supporting it. pretty pathetic and not reassuring to voters (like myself) who like to see an end to race based policies of any kind.

other issues
in all other issues unp has not taken any coherent stance.

its foreign policy seems to be 'kowtow non stop to west and hope for best', rather than for a policy of building fruitful relationships in sri lankan interest in all parts of the world,esp in asia.

its corrupt politicians rail against government's corrupt politicians, not convincing anyone why we should exchange their lot for present lot.

it wants 'good governance' through implementation of 17th amendment, with its independent commissions to govern various things (public service, police etc. etc.). even though last unp government deliberately failed to implement it. (for the record, i am no fan of 17th amendment. imo it is an undemocratic, unworkable, loophole ridden, bureaucratic, money wasting monstrosity, but i better keep my thoughts on that subject for another post).

defending traditional values and culture is a staple of center right parties, but unp (or rather its leader) seem to be quite clueless about sri lankan culture or its values.

unp doesn't have a policy on various civil liberties one way or other. btw ranil who is 'gay' (i am against simple categorizations of sexual orientation hence quotation marks), as whole of sri lanka knows, doesn't have the courage to admit the fact, hiding behind an obviously fake marriage.
etc. etc.

internal democracy
not only has the party not stood up to protect sri lankan democracy, it has a deplorable record of internal democracy.

in latest example of this, last week it expelled some of the leading members from internal party positions due to their vocal opposition to unp decision to back non unp candidate general sarath foseka as presidential candidate.

as i have pointed out before, move to back fonseka benefits ranil wickremesinghe. after the almost certain defeat of general, ranil will be able to keep on as party leader till next election. (if he was the candidate and got trashed, there was a chance of him getting the boot). his association and acceptance of current unp's support and conditions will be part of the main reason why general will lose.


to conclude
ranil wickremesinghe led unp can no longer be considered a center right party with any kind of coherent philosophy. it is drifting without ideas or a vision.

this bloodless degenerate shell now function purely as a political vehicle for its leader, rather than as a living proponent of a political philosophy palatable to sri lankan voters.

of course unp still sits at the center of a web of patronage relationships, but without blood those arteries will die out eventually.

sarath fonseka's campaign (and his defeat), may transfer some blood to keep them alive for a little bit longer, but to revive the beast more direct and drastic action is needed. to start pumping blood again, at the very least, unp has to get rid of ranil, and it has to uncompromisingly stand for something that public wants (hopefully capitalism and robust protection of rights and interests of sri lankans from all threats internal or external) , rather than what its leader wants and what some of his out of touch sycophants in colombo wants.

this paralysis and inaction of almost half of sri lankan polity is bad for the country, bc upfa or its leader will not face any credible check on its/his power. it is not wise to always count on goodwill of unchecked power.

unfortunately, there is no chance of unp reviving anytime soon.


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42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Too long again.

මිගාර said...

Very well analyzed SN. Actally guys like Ajith Perera should be answering these posts rather than posting cheap cartoons.

Balaji said...

the right in Lanka has to rally behind Fonseka. Short sighted grievances against Ranil just like the ones against McGain will have real costs.

Americans are paying with dramatically bigger govt which can never be reversed. In Lanka not getting rid of Rajapakses will lead to significant loss of liberties.

in anycase I think odds the of Fonseka becoming President are better than UNF winning the parliamentary polls and Ranil becoming PM. So you can have both ways by rooting for Fonseka.

The Benevolent Dictator said...

You know what Sitting Nut, I actually agree with most of what you've said in this post.

The UNP sure needs to find a way to stick up for what it believes in and articulate the benefits of what it believes in. It, sadly, hasn't done that and doesn't seem to show signs of being able to do that. People need simple messages.

Good analysis.

Liberal Lanka said...

You are someone who supports lunatics such as Bush, Palin, etc. So there is no amusement in you supporting the local conservative nut jobs who are heavily represented in the UPFA. What made you think your philosophy is center right, it is extreme right.

What is amusing is, this is the same person who praised Ranil shamelessly with his then NGO friends. Was you living in a different country then to be fooled by Ranil to that extent?

Those who 'defend traditional values and culture' are the ones who normally work against freedom, rights and liberty of people. What kind of a libertarian are you? Do you now want our political parties and Governments to interfere in our individual lives in order to defend culture? Oops I forgot, you are a conservative.

Anonymous said...

@Liberal lanka
Are you that foolish to try to teach politics to stingingnut?

Anonymous said...

Lanka Socialist Nationalist!

The Benevolent Dictator said...

Hahahaha...

sittingnut said...

oh boy, the liberal lanka idiot is making a fool of himself again .
when will the moron learn that he cannot win any arguments with his bird brain?
lol

i will reply to others first ,

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anon @12/06/2009 10:38 am
can't help.if its long, its long .
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මිගාර :
thanks.
ajith perera is so typical of moderns bankrupt unp

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balaji :
thanks for the comment
has to disagree again .
these are not short sighted grievances against ranil. he just cannot deliver .
whether rajapaksa or ranil/fonseka will take way more liberties is moot point bc ranil/fonseka will not win. this post and others on fonseka linked just explain why

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the benevolent dictator:
thanks for the compliment.

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anon @12/06/2009 9:51 pm
good to know that u are obsessed with my blog enough to know my abilities.

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anon @ 12/06/2009 9:55 pm
who is nazi?

sittingnut said...

liberal lanka the idiot:
you still have questions outstanding in several other blog posts here. may be before you start attacking me here you should answer them :-)
but if you prefer to act the coward that is your choice .
i know that your desire attack me with silly and irrational arguments spring from the unavenged trashing you got in those posts. lol

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now to your idiotic comment -
"You are someone who supports lunatics such as Bush, Palin, etc."
So there is no amusement in you supporting the local conservative nut jobs who are heavily represented in the UPFA"
!?
you obviously was confused on your mind when you wrote above. so i will not even try to untangle them .

but will ask,
are all conservatives 'lunatics'? why? bc you say so ? and upfa is stocked with "conservertives"?
hmmmm.
your trouble lies at even more basic level
what is a "conservative" according to you? do define. bc you simply make no sense.

sittingnut said...

cont>
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"What made you think your philosophy is center right, it is extreme right."

did i say my philosophy was "center right"? lol
as i said before you have a big problem with comprehension

i will make this simple, that even you can understand it .
i am a libertarian .
i am not with unp or any other party.

in the post i said, unp was center right . it is not so now.

do you get it now ? fool

btw you are yet to quote me saying anything that may be termed "extreme right' . why can't you ? why do you run way when i ask you to quote me? .

lol @ the dog liberal lanka running away again

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"What is amusing is, this is the same person who praised Ranil shamelessly with his then NGO friends. Was you living in a different country then to be fooled by Ranil to that extent?"

i never had ngo friends . why do you think that ppl who exchange comments in blogs are 'friends'. ? lol
you should perhaps develop some real friends then you won't be in your present pathetic state .


you seem to believe that ppl should pick a person and praise and support him forever.
unlike you, most ppl don't make individuals in to cult objects, they support policies rather than persons


i have supported ranil in the past on specific instances .(id i say no?) and with reasons (such as mahinda being explicitly anti liberalization compared to ranil, which is btw still true. if the choice is between them and on that issue alone, i will still select ranil. but choice is not that now ).
long ago i also gave reasons why i am not supporting ranil in other instances and why i disagree with immoral ngo peacenik position unp adopted , ( read the post linked under 'peacenik' ). it was before any military operations btw, and there are similar posts even before that.

if you can or dare , point to and qoute instances, where i have betrayed my libertarian principles and where i was wrong in my support to this or that person based on participles .
lol @ the dog liberal lanka running away again

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"Those who 'defend traditional values and culture' are the ones who normally work against freedom, rights and liberty of people. What kind of a libertarian are you?
Do you now want our political parties and Governments to interfere in our individual lives in order to defend culture? "
lol
more stupidity from the idiot!
did i say i am for defending "traditional values and culture" ?
read fool !
i said "defending traditional values and culture is a staple of center right parties"
did i say i am for a center right party ?
no


btw ppl who "defend traditional values and culture" are not necessarily "against freedom, rights and liberty of people". your silly generalization is unjustified.

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"I forgot, you are a conservative."

fool liberal lanka is so obsessed with calling me a 'conservative' ( which he does not seem able to define beyond calling them 'lunatic' ) that he forget to read what i have written .

if i say x policy is center right . he calls me 'center right' and 'conservative ' .lol
he does not seem to observe that i never said i will support policy x .
that is his logic , logic of a born idiot

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lol @ the dog liberal lanka running away again
come back doggy, and post another comment . i like kicking you to death !
lol

Serendib_Isle said...

Interesting analysis. However, the UNP-troubles are much deeper than this. Poor leadership for too long has ruined the party beyond repair and there are people like Vi Ja Mu Lokubandara who are senior but totally useless to the country. The new blood has no hope due to UNP’s strict hierarchy; this party needs a miracle to turn things around.
Leadership, leadership, leadership is what it needs; and another good 12 years to repair the damages and get their act together... Until then, may the force be with them. ;)

Anonymous said...

I love it when stingingnut loses an argument. Acts like the child who lost the doll. Hush Hush stingingnut.

sittingnut said...

serendib_isle:
good points
thanks


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anon @12/07/2009 1:02 am
lol
i am sure all the blog anons needed your pointers to recognize a child who lost a doll.

Balaji said...

well, I hope you endorse some candidate even if you don't reconcile to supporting Fonseka. Conservatives or libertarians can't vote "Present" and shud take a stand.

Anonymous said...

Yet another piece of MR praising tripe / crap from a so called libertarian.

Liberal Lanka said...

wow. The reply to me is longer than the post itself. The standard get away method of SittingNut. It really hurts me that just the appearance of me sends you into tantrums, but can't allow elitist conservatives to keep denying us modernism.

First direct me to the posts you claim I have unanswered question, because all were answered, don't know if you hid for weeks and then posted a cheap answer in the typical way elitist conservatives do when confronted by more educated liberals.

//you obviously was confused on your mind when you wrote above. so i will not even try to untangle them

wordless? good.

where have I said all conservatives are lunatics? Please point where I have said so, otherwise you are proved a double tongued liar for the hundredth time. And yes most of the conservatives including you are in UPFA these days. Want a list? Nalin da silva, Amarasekara, Wimal, JHU, etc, etc. Maybe in your view they are libertarians. But conservatives such as Bush, Palin whom you worship religiously and have learnt your libertarianism from are lunatics.

Liberal Lanka said...

continued>

sorry, I thought you were claiming to be center right, and UNP is drifting away from it hence your justification of backing Mahinda.

Exchanging comments is not friendship. But taking side with NGO circles and branding those who supported military actions as War mongers, is. I'm talking pre 2005. You praised Ranil, promoted his peace campaign and called JVP war mongers who were the true promoters of military actoins while been called war mongers by elitist NGO's such as you.

//i have supported ranil in the past on specific instances .(id i say no?) and with reasons (such as mahinda being explicitly anti liberalization compared to ranil, which is btw still true. if the choice is between them and on that issue alone, i will still select ranil. but choice is not that now ).

First you were not supporting Ranils on issues but was worshiping his policies calling others donkeys in your standard filthy language and so on.

second, at that time our country was at war. How come the issue was liberalization at that time but it is not the issue now when in fact the war is over? Pls explain this contradictory.

third, Ranil was the leader from 1994. He didn't differ much from his policies from then and importantly from 2005. How come you supported him like a slave in 2005 but is not supporting him when in fact his or UNP's policies have not changed since 2005. Because he is not winning this time around?

//did i say i am for defending "traditional values and culture" ?
read fool !
i said "defending traditional values and culture is a staple of center right parties"
did i say i am for a center right party ?

Ha ha. First you are going on about how UNP is drifting away from center right and trying to justify you voting UPFA. If you are not for defending values and culture and UNP is drifting away from it, what is there for you to complain? You should be promoting it, not whining.

//btw ppl who "defend traditional values and culture" are not necessarily "against freedom, rights and liberty of people". your silly generalization is unjustified.

Here, claims he is not that and then jumps to defend exactly that. Those who defend traditional values and culture are the ones who impose them on others in order to defend them thereby limiting freedom etc of others. That is how it happens. Get it? I won't count much. The problem with you is exactly this, can't understand even the most basic, hence have to explain everything.ex-you even want the meaning of a conservative. I feel for all the guys who tried to inject libertarianism into your head before me in this blog.

BTW, don't think I would go away because of your undereducated filthy language. But you can always ask.

sittingnut said...

the crazy doggy liberal lanka is back for another butt kicking .must be a masochist or something
lol

but as always must reply to others even anons first before trashing that fool
=
balaji :
well there is no candidate that is worth the support .of a libertarian
in any case i will wait until the nominations are over .

anon 12/07/2009 10:12 am
where did i praise mr ? qoute me!

as always ppl like you cannot quote me doing anything against libertarian principles, but claims i did without any support bc you cannot find any errors in my posts
.

lol

whitevans said...

Whitevans සමග අලුත් ලිපියක්

Between the lines of reality and illusion – ශ්‍රී ලන්කා තලෙයිබාන්වරු සමග සන්චාරක කර්මාන්තය දියුනු කිරීම

Raju said...

If you are with Ranil/Mangala/Janaral Fonseka then you are not corrupt.
If you are not then you are corrupt. Those who side with MR are corrupt, those who side janaral are not corrupt. Simple switch will decide that. Same applies to everything else. You are only "independent" if you side with Ranil and (diss)United (anti) National Party, otherwise you are a liar, stooge or dictator.
Side with janaral = media freedom. Go against janaral = media suppression.
Its funny to see UNPers spamming every online site there is, they clearly do not tolerate alternative view yet deafen us about “freedom” (obviously freedom for them no one else). Ada derana accused of being “biased” by these same UNPers allows all comments both for and against UNP, can I go to a certain UNP friendly site and post comments critical of UNP or janaral? No.

sittingnut said...

liberal lanka the masochist dog:
" The reply to me is longer than the post itself. The standard get away method of SittingNut."
lol
absurd logic of that statement is so obvious, wont even point it out
he hates rational refutations of his absurd arguments
he probably prefers running away like a dog as he always does in the end.

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"elitist conservatives etc "
more labels without support . fellow has a stock full of them and just throws them around when lost for arguments

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"denying us modernism"
lol
where? do quote if you dare!.

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"more educated liberals."
you call yourself that?a person who cannot make even one coherent argument an "educated liberal".
lol

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and here is a post from which you ran away
http://llibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/02/ltte-terrorist-homicide-bomber-kills.html

"don't know if you hid for weeks and then posted a cheap answer "
lol
i posted several questions there several times without getting an answer from you, and i directed you to it several times when you posted comment in other threads later. as in here for one ,.
http://llibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/04/sls-cocoon-bloggers-bans-another.html
and more unanswered questions there too.

so lets start with those two threads , kindly answer instead of running away . lol

fact is liberal lanka wasn't able sustain his pro appeasement arguments and disappeared . he will no doubt do a repeat soon"

cont>

sittingnut said...

cont>
liberal lanka says,
"where have I said all conservatives are lunatics? Please point where I have said so, otherwise you are proved a double tongued liar for the hundredth time."
this is what you said
"You are someone who supports lunatics such as Bush, Palin, etc."
So there is no amusement in you supporting the local conservative nut jobs who are heavily represented in the UPFA"

and this what i said
"you obviously was confused on your mind when you wrote above. so i will not even try to untangle them .

but will ask,
are all conservatives 'lunatics'? why? bc you say so ? and upfa is stocked with "conservatives"?
hmmmm.
your trouble lies at even more basic level
what is a "conservative" according to you? do define. bc you simply make no sense."

let the readers judge. whether he answered the well deserved questions
lol
and readers can also judge whether liberal lanka defined what he means by "conservatives" who he describes as lunatics and nut jobs and are in upfa. .

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"And yes most of the conservatives including you are in UPFA these days. Want a list? Nalin da silva, Amarasekara, Wimal, JHU, etc, etc."
lol
as i said he has confused notion of what a conservative is . that is why i asked him to define it . he clearly did not and can't

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"maybe in your view they are libertarians. But conservatives such as Bush, Palin whom you worship religiously and have learnt your libertarianism from are lunatics."
more absurd logic.

no, they are not libertarians.
as already done i will ask again from this fool to quote me worshiping anybody or betraying libertarian principles.
he did not and can't bc i haven't
but liberal lanka thinks he can fool readers by repeating clear falsehoods


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"sorry, I thought you were claiming to be center right, and UNP is drifting away from it hence your justification of backing Mahinda."
as i said liberal lanks has a comprehension problem . even the fool admits it when conered. lol

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"Exchanging comments is not friendship. But taking side with NGO circles and branding those who supported military actions as War mongers, is."
is what? "friendship"?
clearly "conservative" is not the only word this idiot is confused about . as i said before if he has real friends he would not be in this pathetic state.

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"You praised Ranil, promoted his peace campaign and called JVP war mongers who were the true promoters of military actoins while been called war mongers by elitist NGO's such as you....

First you were not supporting Ranils on issues but was worshiping his policies calling others donkeys in your standard filthy language and so on.
"
already answered this above so i will quote my answer
"you seem to believe that ppl should pick a person and praise and support him forever.
unlike you, most ppl don't make individuals in to cult objects, they support policies rather than persons


i have supported ranil in the past on specific instances .(did i say no?) and with reasons (such as mahinda being explicitly anti liberalization compared to ranil, which is btw still true. if the choice is between them and on that issue alone, i will still select ranil. but choice is not that now ).
long ago i also gave reasons why i am not supporting ranil in other instances and why i disagree with immoral ngo peacenik position unp adopted , ( read the post linked under 'peacenik' ). it was before any military operations btw, and there are similar posts even before that.

if you can or dare , point to and quote instances, where i have betrayed my libertarian principles and where i was wrong in my support to this or that person based on principles "

as always in spite of requests he fails to quote me to back his claims.

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cont>

sittingnut said...

cont>
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"second, at that time our country was at war. How come the issue was liberalization at that time but it is not the issue now when in fact the war is over? Pls explain this contradictory..."third, Ranil was the leader from 1994. He didn't differ much from his policies from then and importantly from 2005. How come you supported him like a slave in 2005 but is not supporting him when in fact his or UNP's policies have not changed since 2005. Because he is not winning this time around?"

read what i wrote( and repeated just above ) if you can't and cannot understand as you clearly show in this statement . i can't help you . you are born like that i suppose .

and again i ask, quote me "supporting him like a slave" bc i never did.

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" First you are going on about how UNP is drifting away from center right and trying to justify you voting UPFA. If you are not for defending values and culture and UNP is drifting away from it, what is there for you to complain? You should be promoting it, not whining."

more absurd logic of a confused foolish mind unable to comprehend what i wrote . lol

fellow can't dispute that unp is not acting as a center right party which was what i said in post. so he writes about my alleged voting , my alleged complaints, my alleged defending or not defending of values and culture etc . none of which are in the post.

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"Here, claims he is not that and then jumps to defend exactly that."

lol more absurd logic
according to this fool , stating that liberal lanka made a silly unjustified generalization when he said that ppl who "defend traditional values and culture" are "against freedom, rights and liberty of people".is equal to defending traditional values and culture myself.
lol indeed
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"you even want the meaning of a conservative.."
yes bc you clearly has a confused notion of the term, calling even wimal weerawasa a conservative
you run away from defining .
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"I feel for all the guys who tried to inject libertarianism into your head before me in this blog"
since you have not been able to quote even one sentence from me that is against libertarianism in spite of multiple requests . i doubt anybody even other fools feel any need for your empathy .

"I would go away because of your undereducated filthy language. But you can always ask."
do you expect me to treat a person like you who is a lair and a moron and often run away with respect .lol
here you will get kicks on your bottom

that is why you come here again and again and why you will post a reply to this

and yes do come,bc i do enjoy kicking your butt

sittingnut said...

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i give support based on libertarian principles then and now, after evaluating their positions on issues and relative importance of issues .

what i do in this post is evaluating current unp and its policies from a general view point .

liberal lanka's problem is he cannot distinguish between support for individuals from support for polices based on principles .


when i support or do not support someone, i clearly state due to what polices i support that person. as i did in 2005 and 2006 when gave my reasons for supporting ranil in election and when i gave my reasons for not supporting peacenik ( peace at any cost) position before any military operations started. all of that was according to libertarian principles

liberal lanka does not seem to get this bc if he did and he still disagrees, he will stick to disputing my evaluations.

instead his makes arguments that at their most coherent seem to go like this "you supported ranil then, so why don't you do the same now, bc he and his polices are the same" .
he doesn't get that i did not support ranil the individual but some of his polices and that i have also supported some of the policies ranil disagrees with .

he thinks i am inconsistent bc i don't support a person and a party, when in fact i was constant in my principles throughout

if he wants to refute me he has to point and quote me betraying my principles,
saying i am not supporting or supporting an individual is not enough .

bc in all cases these individuals have a mixed set of polices (some of which i disagree with and some agree with .). in addition not only do they change their polices but relative importance of issues that policies address also changes .


to put it simply,
i made an evaluation of unp polices from general point of view here . but instead of disputing the points i made here, liberal lanka accuses me of not supporting ranil. lol indeed
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sittingnut said...

whitevans:
keep up the good work

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raju :
thanks for the comment pointing out their antics
their spamming will stop when the results come.

Liberal Lanka said...

he he. Replies are becoming longer and longer hoping that I would not be able read without falling sleep and give up. Coying and pasting the same thing over and over.

Where did I say every conservative is a lunatic? When I did not say every conservative is a lunatic this fellow is asking how come every conservative is a lunatic. Feel sorry for this businessman who could not educate himself but was lucky enough inherit the wealth of the parents.

//absurd logic of that statement is so obvious, wont even point it out

wordless? good.

You supported peace policies of Ranil. You called those who are in favor of military operations as war mongers with your NGO friends. This is was pre 2005. Pls don't bring in what happened after Mahinda won. that is after you were kicked out of NGO circles.

I repeat because no answer.

First you are going on about how UNP is drifting away from center right and trying to justify you voting UPFA. If you are not for defending values and culture and UNP is drifting away from it, what is there for you to complain? You should be promoting it, not whining

Again I repeat because no answer

at that time our country was at war. How come the issue was liberalization at that time but it is not the issue now when in fact the war is over? Pls explain this contradictory.

If you are supporting policies as you claim, UNP's policies have not changed from 2005,(when you were praising Ranil) so technically if you supported those policies in 2005 should still be able to support them. If you are supporting Mahinda for his policies as you claim you could have supported Mahinda in 2005 as well bc policies have not changed. Why the crossover?

Anonymous said...

I feel for Liberal Lanka. Others give up after trying 2 or 3 times.

sittingnut said...

oh dog liberal lank a is back for more!
just hours after saying he will not be back . he is a true masochist as i said

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"Replies are becoming longer and longer ....."
i suppose the dog needs some thing to say when faced with comprehensive and irrefutable arguments . so he says they are longer lol

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"Where did I say every conservative is a lunatic? "
did i say you said that ? where ?
more comprehension problems from liberal lanka

i asked "are all conservatives 'lunatics'? why? bc you say so ? "
question was deserved bc he put 'lunatic' and 'nutjob ' in front of word 'conservative' up to that point .

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"//absurd logic of that statement is so obvious, wont even point it out
wordless? good."

typical of liberal lanka's dishonesty to leave out his statement i referred
"The reply to me is longer than the post itself. The standard get away method of SittingNut."

indeed such obvious absurd logic ( lengthy reply = getting away) from liberal lanka, do leave ppl who are used to rational argument speechless.

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"You supported peace policies of Ranil. You called those who are in favor of military operations as war mongers ..".

fool repeats without quoting what i actually said .
as i said before whatever i say (then or now) is consistent with libertarian participles and i always give detailed reasons. if he wants to refute me he has to quote what i said then and what i say now and point out the alleged inconsistency of my reasoning.
he can't, so hasn't

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"... with your NGO friends .... you were kicked out of NGO circles."

fantasy world of a friendless liberal lanka !
never had ngo 'friends' nor ever in 'NGO circles' . more fantasy lies from liberal lanka .
he is free to point to any evidence of any of his claims .but since all that came only from his head he can't

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"This is was pre 2005. Pls don't bring in what happened after Mahinda won."
as always liberal lanka betrays he thinks in terms of support of individuals, instead of policies as i do.

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"I repeat because no answer."
yes everyone can see you have no answer to my comprehensive arguments which you find lengthy .

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i replied to this
"First you are going on about how UNP is drifting away from center right and trying to justify you voting UPFA. If you are not for defending values and culture and UNP is drifting away from it, what is there for you to complain? You should be promoting it, not whining"

with this
"more absurd logic of a confused foolish mind unable to comprehend what i wrote . lol
fellow can't dispute that unp is not acting as a center right party which was what i said in post. so he writes about my alleged voting , my alleged complaints, my alleged defending or not defending of values and culture etc . none of which are in the post."

and he calls that "no answer"
lol@the uncomprehending fool
he thinks i was "whining", "voting", "complaining", etc in the post, when all that only happened in his head .
if not he would be able to quote me doing all that .

cont>

sittingnut said...

cont>
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"If you are supporting policies as you claim, UNP's policies have not changed from 2005,(when you were praising Ranil) so technically if you supported those policies in 2005 should still be able to support them. If you are supporting Mahinda for his policies as you claim you could have supported Mahinda in 2005 as well bc policies have not changed. Why the crossover?"

lol
what 'crossover" ? when i was not in either party ever ?
as i said he still cannot get over his irrational party and individual loyalty mindset. clearly liberal lanka was born with slavish attitudes like that .

i give my support,
based on my principles, by evaluating sets of policies of each individual and party, and the weight of each issue covered by their polices .

if as liberal lanka claims i am inconsistent or betrayed my principles he has to show where and when. with quotes from me on both occasions


he keep on repeating i supported ranil and unp in 2005 , and does not support them now. he thinks switching parties is inconsistent

well i didn't even switch parties bc i did not belong to any .

he has not pointed out any inconsistency on my part( with supporting quotes etc ) , in spite of repeated requests

i gave my reasons for supporting ranil then, and in this post give an assessment of unp now from a general point of view . i don't see any contradiction om anything i wrote based on principles.
if liberal lanka thinks otherwise and is capable of rational argument he has to point out my written inconsistencies by quoting from both occasions. he hasn't as yet and i don't expect him bc he is clearly incapable of rational thought
saying i don't support ranil/ump now and supported ranil/unp then is not enough bc i never supported mere individuals or parties, as he does


will the liberal lanka even try to be rational and provide quotes requested to back his claims or will he repeat his irrelevant statements

i expect him to act like the dog he is

sittingnut said...

anon 12/07/2009 10:28 pm:
you are right liberal lanka is incapable of recognizing when he has lost the argument and comes back to receive more pain in his back side .

if you want to share in the pain he feels, do so, but i expect he, as a true masochist, will not want to share.

i on thr other hand like kicking butt so you are welcome to offer yourself
lol

Anonymous said...

@sillynut

How do you copy paste that quickly. Random word generator? You are truely gifted.

Anonymous said...

@sillynut

How do you copy paste that quickly. Random word generator perhaps? You are truely gifted

sittingnut said...

anon who repeats:
i suppose you are out of valid arguments, huh?
can't you even point where there was mere copy and paste or/and random words generated

lol

Anonymous said...

Man don't do this to yourself. Vote for Mahinda but don't be a public clown like this.

sittingnut said...

anon@12/08/2009 2:04 am
thanks anon for your concern about my reputation and for hanging around this blog all day ( and night) long and posting random comments.:-)
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as for my following advice of ppl, who cannot even link to their blogs, claim to be concerned about my reputation, claim i am covering a vote for mihinda (huh?), and claim i am a 'public clown' bc he is incapable of disputing truth of what i write,
lol indeed !

Raju said...

SN,

raju :
thanks for the comment pointing out their antics
their spamming will stop when the results come.

12/07/2009 9:15 PM


You sure? They are so sure of winning they will cry "stolen election" and try and pull off an "Iran" in SL. I'm not kidding about that, my UNP friends said if MR wins they will riot and hoped to "bring international attention to the plight of poor Sri Lankans at the hands of the Rajapkshe Mafia" (words to that effect). Best part was they hoped the police would shoot some people dead, and were "disappointed" with the way the Police handled the university protests which took place earlier (makes me think those were tests of the police response). The message clear: they want to provoke a violent response from the police and if necessary stage it themselves (Was not Sanjana providing new mobile phones or something a few months back?).

These people are so desperate to run the country -run into the ground that is, they will go to any length. Some are so sad the LTTE is not around in SL anymore, they wish the war was still on to "market" something for UNP to prove Mahinda wrong. Considering their attitude it would not surprise me if they play a major role in starting a new conflict/war of some sort (no surprise really because they started the last one).

Raju said...

As for free impartial media here's something you can try for yourself.

I ran a little test on DailyMirror and Ada Derana. I posted two comments: one praising MR with anti-UNP statements. The other attacking him brutally sounding hysterical with all sorts of wild accusations. Ada Derana posted both. DailyMirror posted one, you can guess witch ;D

Anonymous said...

Do you want all these nonsense to go and vote for Mahinda? I feel sorry for you.

sittingnut said...

raju:
thanks again for your thoughts

you are right that they might try (and are even now planning) to ' cry "stolen election"' etc . but it won't work . i think margin of victory will so large that they will not be able to make even a credible case to convince their own supporters. i don't think anybody will come to streets to protest either

i agree that they are acting out of desperation

interesting to hear about your experiment with daily mirror and ada derana . quite believable.

you should start a blog of your own.

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anon @12/08/2009 10:31 am:
huh? what did you say?
lol

btw if you feel sorry for me (why? lol) , go somewhere else and cry no tissues for you here .

Anonymous said...

I see that you have plenty of time at hand to waste like this?

sittingnut said...

but not as much as yours to waste time commenting on my waste of time.
lol