Friday, July 14, 2006

terrorists say thank you

as other bloggers have noted, on 12th government allowed ltte spokesman daya master to travel to and receive medical treatment in colombo with state security.
on 13th night (this night) claymore mines were discovered near defense spokesman minister keheliya rambukwella's kandy home. (not yet in any web news source)

some thank you, huh?

this was of course true to form.
after all, pussies continued with their daily attacks on military and others (killing at least 2 soldiers and plote's vauniya leader yesterday). and let us not forget that ltte has been holding hostage a police officer who went to arrest a convicted british pedophile for months.

i am curious as to how peacenik appeasers will spin this. will they follow the example of ltte propagandists like tamilnet and keep their mouths shut and not speak of this at all? or will they construct a conspiracy theory? after all their beloved justice seeking peace loving freedom fighters cannot be doing this. this must be a government conspiracy. i am all ears.

33 comments:

childof25 said...

No no...its that 'third' force that has operated in SL since the signing of the CFA...well I guess they would actually be the 'fourth' force now...or maybe its the UNP desperate cos they've run out of options...

Keshi said...

**and let us not forget that ltte has been holding hostage a police officer who went to arrest a convicted british pedophile for months.

LTTE r also paedophiles in a diffent manner - they abduct children and rape them emotionally so they become suicide terrorists. Thats paedophilia too. No wonder they wanna save that British paedophile!


Keshi.

Theena said...

What do you expect from such people?

I was totally against the giving of security and access to the local hospitals for Daya M - we are under no obligation to do so.

However, as I said in some other blog, this might turn out to be a brilliant PR move from Rajapakse.

As for the Big Pussy, the apologists will seek to turn this around to make it seem like some victory for them.

aadhavan said...

theena,
the LTTE is not a banned organisation in Sri Lanka. However much the government officials might scream 'terrorist', the cold hard reality is that the organisation is not illegal as per SL law. What's the problem if a person who is a member of an organisation which is not illegal wants to go to an Indian private hospital and get treated by Indian doctors...
also according to the CFA the LTTE is allowed to mover around in GOSL areas as long as they are not armed and vice versa...

Voice_in_Colombo said...

\\\\I am curious as to how peacenik appeasers will spin this. will they follow the example of ltte propagandists like tamilnet and keep their mouths shut and not speak of this at all?\\\\\

I can't think of a better sentence than this on your post :-)

Well said, and very true.

My personal view. If we (Anti-LTTE sector) agree that there's only one country in this island (named Sri Lanka), and no such country named Tamil Ealam, then Daya Master is yet another "evil citizens" of Sri Lanka, just like those "kassippu men" in rural villages, and "under world thugs" in Colombo. So, they are eligible for healthcare facility in any part of the country.

If we (GOSL!) rejected this request by, that would be interpreted by TamilNet and peaceniks, as "GOSL has accepted that Daya Master is not a citizen of SL, and that's why he was not allowed in Colombo. That means GOSL agrees that there's another administration in this Island"

I have posted my views on "who should pay the medical bills of DM" onthis post

SpectralCentroid said...

Whoa! Didn't know about the Keheliya story. Now ain't that ironic.

Voice, I too agree that overall its a good gesture by GOSL (although its not the first time as sitting points out on child's blog). However a slight difference to your analogy is that "underworld thugs in Colombo" won't ask the police to escort them to the hospital eh?

Oh yeah, and I'm sure the "Indian doctors" at the "Indian private hospital" will be thrilled to treat him, now that the pussies have apologised for RG's killing :)

childof25 said...

aadhavan, hmmm 'vice versa' - bullshit...anybody entering Tiger territory has to pay taxes, etc...not exactly what I would call free movement...also what about the policeman abducted while pursuing the paedophile?

aadhavan said...

spectroid - I don't think the LTTE apologised. They said it was a monumental "tragedy" and they've said it before(post cfa press conference) In any case it's clear the LTTE killed RG, there was a thorough investigation and a case and there was a judgement, which is more than we can say about 'suspected' "LTTE" attacks in Sri Lanka.

child - how does taxation inhibit free movement? Sorry, just don't get the connection. In any case, there's no entry tax. There are commercial taxes so if that's inhibiting freedom of movement according to you, that's fine.

Read the cfa. If the cops were in uniform, they needed prior permission. Plain clothes, plain sailing. It's that simple.

Niroshan said...

Yeah right.
Plain clothes, plain sailing, my ass!

Anonymous said...

it was the Karuna faction. No. It was a bunch of army deserters. Err. Noo.. It was the Sinhala underworld. Nooo. It was the miltary trying to discredit the LTTE.

No, wait.

It was actually...

"Ten years ago, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Colombo underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The A-Team."

Ahem.

This is assuming the claymore mine story is actually true, of course. I wouldn't know.

shimmi said...

i don't think that MR really had a choice about providing hospital care. if he didn't give permission/protection, the ltte probably would've worked something out with norway, which would not have been good for the govt PR-wise.

keshi... actually the ltte didn't protect the paedophile, soon after this police incident, the paedophile turned himself in to the SL police. and i'm pretty sure if you look up the definition of paedophilia in any dictionary, it will not include "emotional rape". child abuse, yes. paedophila, no.

Anonymous said...

according to shimmi,

there is this man sitting on the street with a sign saying 'Give me your spare change. No, not the 50 cents, but the 5 rupee coins. I have a rich uncle in Norway and plenty of money at home, but give me your money anyway or it's bad PR'

Why don't we tell this Daya Master to eat healthy, exercise more often and not live such a stressful life? Maybe that will cure him.

ashanthi said...

actually it's quite simple - can we stop all of this that s/nut has stirred up - dayamaster (how come we never see his face anywhere) is considered a moderate and therefore tolerated.

s/nut - stop making a mountain out of a molehill as usual...

you know much as I might berate the Sri Lankan "establishment" the fact of the matter is when one is involved in politics, one has to make gestures...

the bottom line is Mahinda is proving quite the smart arse - he has put Chandrika & Ranil to bed & he will deal with the rest shortly.

He does this not because of his alliance with the JVSCHMee but because of his tolerance of communal violence and acceptance of the complete breakdown of law in his country.

One does have to wonder why the old guard are letting this upstart get away with flinging mud in his face..

Time will tell and of course I'm sure s/nut you will say it's the ltte's fault, now won't you :-)

I'm surprised you haven't come up with an ltte version of the killing of the balloon man ... hmmm???


Shimmi - you go girl.

Keshi - it is about time Sri Lankans (and the rest of Asia) become a little bit more honest about the extent of pedophilia, incest and rape. However we all know this is one crime that has not been able to be put on the heads of the ltte. Child soldiers, that's another by all means. However, don't insult the child (mostly Sinhalese) who has to put up with the horror of sexual abuse.

I have lived in Sri Lanka and seen the way this covert abusive society exists and I have to tell you - it made me sick and I have never seen it on this scale in any other country.

Like it or leave it and ... all races are to blame. Proportionally the Muslims more than other races, however because Sinhalese children are the majority, they suffer the most.

It is estimated that there are at least 30,000 "beach boys" in Sri Lanka at any give time... This figure has remained consistent for decades. It means that this figure is maintained year after year - new children are recruited into child prostitution.

The very fabric of Sri Lankan society, is threatened by this because we are a small island, with areas that experience extremely high impact from foreigners.

Now - it really, really would be good if we could all pay as much attention to this entrenched institutionalised abuse of our children as well as the constant point scoring about child soldiers.

The ltte have many curses hanging over their heads - but hey they are terrorists - yeah? What the hell would they expect, hey deserve?

As for you - the good people of Sri Lanka who turn a great big fucking blind eye to those 30,000 (official estimate that is) boys who get denegraded by all those fat ugly perverse Europeans who rape them all year round - what do you say.

Tell me Keshi - do you have a plan for these boys?

After all, todays European toy boy.... tomorrows ...future of Sri Lanka, perhaps?

By the way - I'm only talking about the young boys' lives here. Of course you know there are probaly 10 times the amount of young girl prostitutes being forced to work - and let's not even start talking about how Sri Lankas servants and workers are treated in the Middle East. It's something that to me borders on the slave trade.

So - you know, you're quite right Kesh - we have a consitent and diabolical issue of child abuse in Sri Lanka - but I want you to admit it belongs to ALL of us not just the ltte.

When parent sell their children on beaches for the equivalent of $5.00 and no one does anything - one does really have to wonder.

childof25 said...

Now that is a first, I've never seen anyone spin paedophilia into an attempt of somehow whitewashing the LTTE and condemning Sri Lankan society as a whole, Ashanthi you should work for the Bush admin or the Labour Party...that is if you can get your tongue out of VP's arse.

Adhavan - there is no tax to enter the SL side, there is a tax to enter the LTTE side. So there is free movement one way and 'not so free' movement the other...not exactly vice versa mate

aadhavan said...

ashanthi - Have you ever wondered why all the child lovers in the south get all upset about child soldiers and don't give a fuck about child prostitution, malnutrition and deprivation. It's because the child who carries a gun threatens these people, while a child who's getting fucked up the rear doesn't. It's not about concern for kids.

I'm sorry, but if people want to make child soldiers an issue, I'm all for it. But it can't be politically motivated. And that means making as much of an issue about the child whores, child molestation, the kids dying of lack of medicines, child labour and child deprivation due to poverty. Child soldiers have become as issue because it's a fashionable area for ngo's to throw their money into. I hear there's a lot of donor money for child soldier research.Also, the minimum age for child recruitment for kids by a state is 15, and for rebel groups it's 18. That's clearly absurd and a lot of the so called ltte child soldiers wouldn't be even considered child soldiers if they were fighting for the army.

child - there is no entry tax to LTTE controlled territory.

aadhavan said...

ashanthi - Have you ever wondered why all the child lovers in the south get all upset about child soldiers and don't give a fuck about child prostitution, malnutrition and deprivation. It's because the child who carries a gun threatens these people, while a child who's getting fucked up the rear doesn't. It's not about concern for kids.

I'm sorry, but if people want to make child soldiers an issue, I'm all for it. But it can't be politically motivated. And that means making as much of an issue about the child whores, child molestation, the kids dying of lack of medicines, child labour and child deprivation due to poverty. Child soldiers have become as issue because it's a fashionable area for ngo's to throw their money into. I hear there's a lot of donor money for child soldier research.Also, the minimum age for child recruitment for kids by a state is 15, and for rebel groups it's 18. That's clearly absurd and a lot of the so called ltte child soldiers wouldn't be even considered child soldiers if they were fighting for the army.

child - there is no entry tax to LTTE controlled territory.

childof25 said...

"Recent expatriate visitors to the North report that foreign Tamil visitors are given a pass at the checkpoint, for which they must pay 1,000 rupees (approximately U.S.$10). They are told that within three days of reaching their destination, they must take the pass to the local LTTE office in Jaffna or Kilinochchi." - source is http://hrw.org/reports/2006/ltte0306/6.htm

That to me is not free entry, those expatriates have already gotten a visa to enter Sri Lanka...also another fallacy of the 'vice versa' generalisation is the fact LTTE cadres are allowed to carry out political activities in GOSL controlled areas but nobody can carry out such activities in LTTE controlled areas. The myth that the barriers to entry on either side of the dividing line are equal is a load of crap. I apologise for taking a rather obtuse look at this issue and I should have explained myself more clearly.

I believe paedophilia is a serious issue in Sri Lanka and not enough is done about it, but to make a blanket generalization that Sri Lankan society as a whole and the 'South' especially is indifferent to child prostitution is nonsense. By that same generalistic approach we could probably say all Northern Tamils are predisposed towards blowing themselves up, worship death and have no respect for life but that would be as stupid as your generalization.

I’ve followed some of your arguments Aadhavan on other blogs and I respect the fact that you are actually able to coherently discuss such issues without resorting to name calling or blanket generalizations. It is for the lack of those qualities that I find Ashanti a moron and generally read her posts with amusement and amazement as to how someone can be so blinkered by race and continually accuse others of suffering the same trait.

ashanthi said...

aahdavan - btw does that mean anything?

Look, of course you are right but guess what, now that I've agreed with you, I will be labelled an ltte supporter. So - just to be sure that we clear that first, I support the right of Tamil people to defend themselves, their culture and their children from the deliberate and sustained human rights violations they have been subject to for decades.

I do not support suicide bombing, instead I feel a terrible responsibility that in my lifetime it has happened amongst my people and I want it to stop.

As for child soldiers - i wait with bated breath for s.nuts reponse

sittingnut said...

thanks for the comments. :-)
had a busy day so could not respond earlier.

childof25:
appreciate your comments and your taking time to respond to others :-).

keshi :
you are right
ltte is the biggest child abuser in the country. as such it is no surprise they thought it fit to kidnap the police officer instead of helping him.
they certainly have different ideas from most ppl about fitting behavior. see how they said thank you .

theena
What do you expect from such people?
exactly what i thought.

and you are right this is good pr for the government.

aadhavan
how is your maginary anon cousin ? :-)

However much the government officials might scream 'terrorist', the cold hard reality is that the organisation is not illegal as per SL law......
so you know what 'cold hard reality' is? :-) i was under the impression, given your earlier comments and antics here and elsewhere, that you know only fantasy.

anyway did theena or anyone else said ltte is illegal here? may be it should be, but did anyone say it is ? do not get confused and imagine things.
they are of course terrorists, you are free to say they aren't and live in a fantasy world.

if you are capable of understanding instead of loosing your head whenever anyone criticize ltte, you will see that ppl here are commenting on ltte's behavior, not on their legal status.
you of course think it is quite ok to request and enjoy the government's generosity and protection while killing the same government's citizens, military, and ministers.

...'suspected' "LTTE" attacks...
i suppose they were carried out by government itself, karuna, 'third force' , 'the fourth force'(!), or the 'a-team'(!) .
which one do you prefer?
after all your beloved ltte is too good.to do that kind of thing. :-)

how does taxation inhibit free movement?
what an insight! :-) very down to earth and realistic.not at all fantastic .
i suppose in your real world experience one can enter and move around in ltte controlled areas without paying the 'taxes', till pussies go through 'legal' channels to collect the arrears 'taxes', like inland revenue department does in the south.

Have you ever wondered why all the child lovers in the south get all upset about child soldiers and don't give a fuck about child prostitution, malnutrition and deprivation. It's because the child who carries a gun threatens these people, while a child who's getting fucked up the rear doesn't. It's not about concern for kids......
so according to you 'child prostitution, malnutrition and deprivation' in sl, excuses ltte's child abuse?
according to you 'child lovers in the south ' approve or do not care( really? ) about 'child prostitution, malnutrition and deprivation', therefore they should approve or not care about ltte's child abuse?
according to you, unesco, ngos, and others should abandon all their work on ltte's child abuse bc they do not work on those other problems?( they actually do work on them too btw)
according to you we should not discuss ltte's specific child abuse or blame it bc we do not discuss the general child abuse ?
nice logic. :-)

Also, the minimum age for child recruitment for kids by a state is 15, and for rebel groups it's 18. That's clearly absurd and a lot of the so called ltte child soldiers wouldn't be even considered child soldiers if they were fighting for the army.
are you saying army has child soldiers? be specific
do you approve of ltte's child soldiers ? dare to say it openly .

voice_in_colombo :
thanks for the compliment. :-)

read your post.
i agree that this is good for the government pr wise, and that ltte by making this request from government in way admit the falseness of their propaganda about their de facto 'state'. that is one reason why they are keeping silent on this.

spectralcentroid:
ironic indeed! :-)

as for 'indian' hospital, seriously speaking i think they should really think about the business sense of admitting ltte cadres, what with the security , protesters, publicity, etc. i don't think all publicity is good publicity when it comes to hospitals.

niroshan
:-)

anon at 7/14/2006 2:00 pm.
i did not think of that . it must be the 'a team' . :-)

shimmi:
where are the answers to the media questions you promised?

i don't think that MR really had a choice about providing hospital care. if he didn't give permission/protection, the ltte probably would've worked something out with norway, which would not have been good for the govt PR-wise.
next time you suspect government of any atrocity ( as you have done in the past ) , you may answer why government is allegedly committing them in spite of bad pr? after all government according to you had no choice here. so does it have freedom to choose atrocities.?

actually the ltte didn't protect the paedophile, soon after this police incident, the paedophile turned himself in to the SL police.
ltte obstructed police who went to arrest him by kidnapping the police. that the paedophile later turned himself in after returning to government area on his own free will does not excuse the ltte.

i'm pretty sure if you look up the definition of paedophilia in any dictionary, it will not include "emotional rape". child abuse, yes. paedophila, no.
:-) that certainly settles the matter . it is wrong to accuse the ltte of paedophilia, ltte merely abuse children. how very insensitive of us to accuse ltte of paedophilia.

anon at 7/14/2006 3:25 pm
:-)
good advice too.

ashanthi :
i am awaiting your answers in, i don't know how many threads. why do you run way from questions instead of answering?

dayamaster (how come we never see his face anywhere) is considered a moderate and therefore tolerated.
:-) how may i ask, did you came to this conclusion about daya master? after all you seem to have been unaware of his existence ( and his appearance) before this.

s/nut - stop making a mountain out of a molehill as usual...
?! :-)

..... tolerance of communal violence and acceptance of the complete breakdown of law ...
care to elaborate what you mean by 'communal violence' and 'complete breakdown of law' and who is responsible with evidence.

One does have to wonder why the old guard are letting this upstart get away with flinging mud in his face..
?! :-) what old guard?

....Time will tell and of course I'm sure s/nut you will say it's the ltte's fault, now won't you :-)
what is ltte's fault? pl clarify. bc i really cannot understand what you were saying in this and previous sentences.
but may be you cannot clarify, given that you seem not to understand what you are speaking about yourself .

I'm surprised you haven't come up with an ltte version of the killing of the balloon man ... hmmm???
?! ltte version? or possibly you mean my version blaming ltte ?
well i don't blame the ltte for that
and if you dare, point out one case where i blamed ltte wrongly.
fact is you cannot bc i have not wrongfully blamed ltte, when i blame ltte i am right..
since you cannot do that you are reduced to speculations about my future actions. pathetic.

Shimmi - you go girl.
i see you have a new like minded friend. :-)

However we all know this is one crime that has not been able to be put on the heads of the ltte. Child soldiers, that's another by all means.
as i said to shimmi
'that certainly settles the matter . it is wrong to accuse the ltte of paedophilia, ltte merely abuse children. how very insensitive of us to accuse ltte of paedophilia.'
:-)

if you want to write about sexual abuse of children do so. only why not do it in your blog or in a thread dealing with it.
if you want to bring that in to cover ltte's child abuse you are free to do that too. and you are free to think you can fool us.

btw do you approve and/or excuse of ltte's child abuse ? or do you condemn it? why not express your position on that clearly. you are free to do that too. if you have the courage .

Proportionally the Muslims more than other races,
care to explain how you arrived at this? or is that merely your racist prejudice..

no one does anything - one does really have to wonder.
no one does anything?
really? according to you ppl here are indifferent to child abuse, and nobody does anything? well if you wan to live in a fantasy do so. .
i suppose that police officer was doing nothing too.

The ltte have many curses hanging over their heads - but hey they are terrorists - yeah? What the hell would they expect, hey deserve?
that excuse their crimes in your eyes?

sexual abuse problems in south does not excuse ltte 's child abuse. if you think so and/or if you support ltte, you become an accessory to its abuse.
do you support a child abusing organization? if not condemn it without making excuses.

aadhavan said...

no no. the use of child soldiers is not excusable. It's morally reprehensible and ought to be condemned. But IT IS AS REPREHENSIBLE as the government allowing its kids in the beaches in the south to get prostituted and summarily buggered by big Euro "uncles". It is equally bad and thus, focussing on one and calling one the worst child abuser is very very one sided and displays an attitude whereby kids have just become numbers in the political game. No real concern for kids, just political one-uppery(no pun intended).

child - I'm sorry you misunderstood what I was saying. I used the phrase "child lovers in the south" not to indicate the majority of the people of the south, but the voices who speak loudest on the issue of child soldiers, i.e-Anti LTTE activists and NGO people. My problem is not that child soldiers is made an issue, but that there is a disproportionate amount of attention given to the 1000 odd child soldiers when there are at least 40000 child whores down south. This is the peoblem. In the international arena today, child soldiers, much like womens rights for instance is a trendy area to do work on, there's a lot of ngo donor money for this type of thing, and this probably explains the disparity in the degree of attention given to the various forms of child abuse.

also, the taxes you speak of are supoosedly levied on diaspora tamils only. In fact many of my Sinhalese friends travelled to Jaffna during the cfa and didn't pay a red cent at the checkpoints. Many of my diaspora relatives also travelled and din't have to pay. Anyway, its good that you read the hrw report.hope you also read the hrw press release indicating that ther was government complicity in the trinco riots. (oh no, we don't trust these NGO's do we?)

S'NUT- the government does use child soldiers. They shelter the Karuna group which does use and abduct children for use in combat. So they are vicariously liable for the same thing. These kids are also abducted from gov controlled territory and are housed under the protection of the government.

In any case my point was that the international standard as laid down in Protocol 2 of the CRC lays down that a state can recruit kids over 15 and that a non state entity can recruit over 18. I think about 90% of the kids listed by UNICEF as child soldiers used by the LTTE are within the age groups of 15-18.

btw,s nut - I can't respond to God Almighty can I. You oh great one will live forever on the blogosphere, and you oh omnipresent one are fully aware of how my family computer is used. I can only pray with all deference that you oh lord, will grow up and rid yourself on your insecurities. I mean you're a 32 year old god. grow up!

Keshi said...

~~Shimmi

**if you look up the definition of paedophilia in any dictionary, it will not include "emotional rape". child abuse, yes. paedophila, no.

Shimmi I dont need to look up the dictionary for that - cos I did mention that LTTE r also paedophiles of a 'different' nature. Read my comment properly b4 u comment on it.

Child abuse is child abuse be it physical or emotional. Actually LTTE r worse than paedophiles cos paedophiles may not be that brutal as to ask the child to commit suicide. I see u r kind of leaning towards the LTTE and thats a big worry!


Keshi.

sittingnut said...

aadhavan :
focussing on one and calling one the worst child abuser is very very one sided and displays an attitude whereby kids have just become numbers in the political game
when one discuss ltte as in this post, one should focus on ltte activities including child abuse committed by ltte.
if the post is one discussing child abuse one can discuss both types of child abuse.

to demand that ltte's child abuse should not be discussed along its other activities bc other kinds of child abuse is not discussed can only be a blatant attempt to avoid the issue.

i suppose for a person in your situation( namely trying your best to avoid discussing it), 'disproportionate' and 'trendy' attention on ltte's child abuse is a problem. question is does that attention make the issue any less valid ? does that attention somehow limit it being discussed with other ltte activities ?

also, the taxes you speak of are supoosedly levied on diaspora tamils only. In fact many of my Sinhalese friends travelled to Jaffna during the cfa and didn't pay a red cent at the checkpoints. Many of my diaspora relatives also travelled and din't have to pay
:-) some fantasy you live in. you are free to claim that ltte does not 'tax' and believe it.
whether ppl who go though ltte areas can afford to do that is another matter.

Anyway, its good that you read the hrw report.hope you also read the hrw press release indicating that ther was government complicity in the trinco riots. (oh no, we don't trust these NGO's do we?)
from hrw report on ltte 'taxes' to hrw press release on trinco riot. 'nice' logical progression i am sure .
do you know the difference between a press release and a report. ? do you claim that hrw press release has evidence about 'government complicity ' in trico riot, as hrw report has about ltte 'taxes'? care to quote the evidence if it has them.

the government does use child soldiers. They shelter the Karuna group which does use and abduct children for use in combat. So they are vicariously liable for the same thing. These kids are also abducted from gov controlled territory and are housed under the protection of the government.
you implied sl army has child soldiers earlier. but as usual when questioned you change the criteria.
anyway isn't karuna part of ltte ? an 'internal problem' as it was claimed when they split? no doubt they use child solders as their former brothers do. and no doubt they abduct children from government areas as wanni ltte does. but do you have proof that karuna's child soldiers are 'housed under the protection of the government.'? if you have why not produce them .
unless you can prove that army help karuna abduct children and house them under government protection army cannot held responsible (vicariously or not ) for the
'same thing' .

In any case my point was that the international standard as laid down in Protocol 2 of the CRC lays down that a state can recruit kids over 15 and that a non state entity can recruit over 18. I think about 90% of the kids listed by UNICEF as child soldiers used by the LTTE are within the age groups of 15-18.
but does sl army have child soldiers under 18?
and it doesn't matter what you 'think', fact is ltte has child soldiers from even below 15 years of age to 18 . this is against both international standards and by any other civilized standard . you are free to 'think ' what you want , and even disparage the the standards, but facts remain facts.

btw,s nut - I can't respond to God Almighty can I. You oh great one will live forever on the blogosphere, and you oh omnipresent one are fully aware of how my family computer is used. I can only pray with all deference that you oh lord, will grow up and rid yourself on your insecurities. I mean you're a 32 year old god. grow up!
can't you read numbers? it says 34. :-)
as always you are free to indulge in empty 'sarcasms ' if you want . but do not blame me for your inability to respond to arguments adequately. and do not project your resulting insecurities on to me.
unless you recognize and admit your own weaknesses and not hide behind lies as you did earlier, you will remain what you are.

keshi :
:-)

ashanthi said...

Keshini ... let's just hope that all those children who have been abused all across the planet the ever type in those words - sir lanka paedophile - never read your words.

You have just insulted so many people, however, you are a reflection on how accepting Sri Lankans of child abuse.

The issue of the ltte recruiting child soldiers is one for the ltte and it's leadership. They have the UN, the NGOs and s/nut on their back.

aadhavan said...

Child recruitment was not the theme of your initial post. The point was raised later and the argument gradually evolved. Why do you want to run away from the reality that the "child loving" government permits the whoring of 40,000 odd kids on the beaches down south? Face it man. It's a fact! The refusal of the southern polity to face upto this problem is resulting in the mass scale whoring of kids down south to those pot bellied uncles.

If you want evidence of karuna and the government working in cahorts with the armed forces, man don't be daft and reject facts. The slmm has talked about it, the co chairs have too, there is the report by the aussie news channel and qualified admissions even by palitha kohona. just google this stuff and you'll get loads of information. Your rejecting this fact makes you look a little silly actually. If the Karuna gropup operates within govt territory, it means the government houses Karuna. It's as simple as that.
The UNICEF also made a statement about Karuna abducting kids for recruitment. So put two and two together and do the math. The government is vicariously liable! Child recruitment is now done by both parties, face it man. The government wants to help Karuna, that's fine. Be willing to take the shit that comes with it also. That includes what may happen if Karuna decides he's got enough out of the government and goes his own way. He is a brilliant tactical commander and I can bet my bottom dollar he's too ambitious to settle for being an epdp like lackey of the government.

Yes, the problem was internal until the government started helping karuna and working with him. At that stage it ceased to be an internal problem and became an external one. The Tigers asked the govt to disarm karuna not because left alone they wouldn't be able to neutralize his men, but because the government was sheltering him. In fact they did neutralize him and used the psych ops team to win back the entire portion of territory previously controlled by Karuna. Not a dot of land was lost to the defection. 500 men along with Karuna fled and they set up base with the government's help within govt controlled territory. Click?

here's the link to the hrw press release on trinco.
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/04/25/slanka13262.htm

The international standard on child recruitment is 15 even till now. The only mention of 18 is re rebal groups and is only in Protocol 2 to the CRC of 2002, that in any case not many countries have signed. The Tigers are wrong to recruit any one under 15, but now the government and the Tigers are using child soldiers. Both are wrong.

BTW do you have any 'fact' to prove that a person who shares a romm with another can't use his computer and type a post inbetween the other doing the same thing. Any proof or reference? No facts you see, silly allegation. It shows how weak your argument is. sounds familiar? :-)

sittingnut said...

ashanthi::
why not answer the questions raised.
esp this one, do you condemn ltte child abuse ? why do you hesitate?

You have just insulted so many people, however, you are a reflection on how accepting Sri Lankans of child abuse.
did keshi accept child abuse ? do not lie just bc you are lost for words or arguments.
nobody here excused the non ltte child abuse or condoned it.
only you and aadhavan seem to be under the impression that other kinds of child abuse in sl is a good excuse for not condemning ltte's abuse or even discussing it .

aadhavan
Child recruitment was not the theme of your initial post. The point was raised later and the argument gradually evolved.
my post is about ltte behavior. so your earlier insistence we should not discuss ltte's child abuse bc we do not discuss all kinds of child abuse was indefensible. i see you have now changed your mind. you seem to do that a lot. :-)
(btw i said to ashanthi several comments back that she is free to discuss all kind of abuse if she wants to, though it could be better done in a post about child abuse. you are free to do so too if you want and think it is relevant here. did i ask you to stop? in other words you are where ashanthi was several comments back. )

Why do you want to run away from the reality that the "child loving" government permits the whoring of 40,000 odd kids on the beaches down south?
i am here and you are free to comment on anything, i answer all arguments if i do not you are free to point them out. if that is running away according to you, you do not know what running away means.

did i say there was no problem of child abuse in sl? care to point out where i did that?
i and everyone else here who commented on it, except you and ashanthi, do not condone any kind of child abuse. only you two seem to think that existence of other kinds of child abuse makes a good excuse for not even discussing, let alone condemning, ltte's child abuse.
your claim that government 'permit' it and is doing nothing about it is false. may be according to you, that police officer from child protection agency was doing 'nothing' when he went to arrest the pedophile?

If you want evidence of karuna and the government working in cahorts with the armed forces, man don't be daft and reject facts.
no, i am going to be 'daft' and insist on evidence that government helps karuna any more than it does ltte.
if refusing to fight karuna is helping him, government is also guilty of helping the wanni ltte by refusing to fight ltte in a full scale war.

slmm and co chairs 'talk' about their suspicions is not proof. if you can, quote palitha kohana's 'qualified admission' with the link. if so much evidence can be found by googleing why not give the links :-)

Your rejecting this fact makes you look a little silly actually.
what facts? if they were facts why not produce them. bt you have only suspicions . suspicions are not facts.

btw there is the report by the aussie news channel :-) one where some ppl appeared with cloths saying they support karuna ? what were they doing in australia instead of government areas in sl then? and why do they admit to government links when karuna himself deny that, if they are active members of karuna group as they claimed? of course such questions never occur to you. you will accept any man off the street's word that they are active karuna supporters and government helps them. who is daft?

If the Karuna gropup operates within govt territory, it means the government houses Karuna. It's as simple as that.
so bc ltte also operates in the government controlled areas ( as much if not more than karuna if we go by the number of attacks and child abductions) government houses ltte? :-) you have to do better than that.

The UNICEF also made a statement about Karuna abducting kids for recruitment.
did i say karuna does not recruit children? i said they probably do in my previous comment. after all they were part of ltte.

So put two and two together and do the math. The government is vicariously liable!
since first part of your argument does not hold there is only one 'two'. no amount of exclamation marks would change that. :-)

...what may happen if Karuna decides he's got enough out of the government and goes his own way. He is a brilliant tactical commander and I can bet my bottom dollar he's too ambitious to settle for being an epdp like lackey of the government.
so after insisting government protects and house karna without evidence, you say he is independent and has ambitions. is that doubt creeping in ? may be you are not convinced yourself about your 'evidence' that government 'helps' karuna ? :-)
well if you are not convinced do not try to convince others.

the problem was internal until the government started helping karuna and working with him. At that stage it ceased to be an internal problem and became an external one...... In fact they did neutralize him and used the psych ops team to win back the entire portion of territory previously controlled by Karuna. Not a dot of land was lost to the defection.
:-) man your loyalty to ltte and its propaganda exemplary. you are free to believe all ltte claims without evidence if you want. others who live in real world where karuna and ltte clash frequently in ltte territory insist on evidence.

500 men along with Karuna fled and they set up base with the government's help within govt controlled territory. Click?
proof pl. with links, so i can click :-)

here's the link to the hrw press release on trinco.
now where is the evidence(or even the words) that says 'government complicity ' in the riot in the press release you link? as you claimed there was ?
care to point out?
they were certainly more detailed and explicit in their report on ltte 'taxes'. where can i find that kind of evidence on this?
you did well to limit yourself to one sentence on this matter :-).

The international standard on child recruitment is 15 even till now. The only mention of 18 is re rebal groups and is only in Protocol 2 to the CRC of 2002, that in any case not many countries have signed.
so ? did i dispute that? that is the standard, sl army does better than the standard. ltte breaks all standards.( under 15, under 18, all)

now the government and the Tigers are using child soldiers. Both are wrong.
as i asked, does sl army have child soldiers under 18?
since you cannot claim that and since you have no proof that government help karuna anymore that it does ltte , your argument becomes an empty allegation.

BTW do you have any 'fact' to prove that a person who shares a romm with another can't use his computer and type a post inbetween the other doing the same thing. Any proof or reference? No facts you see, silly allegation.
you can keep on insisting that your 'cousin' posts comments ( as an anon, with content that 'aadhavan' had reason not to associate with ) in the very short time between two comments of yours (as aadhavan ) in two blogs using the same computer. comments are available for inspection. as well as your progressive attempts to 'explain' it away. :-)
however one thing i know is that building lies on lies never works. as i said then " truth, and honesty, always win when faced with lies and insecure cowardice. "

It shows how weak your argument is. sounds familiar? :-)
weak arguments are certainly familiar since you started 'arguing' here.:-)
whether my argument that you commented as both 'anon' and 'aadhavan' , is strong and plausible given the facts involved, and whether your explanation is even remotely credible is a judgment readers can make for themselves.

Anonymous said...

I'd simply like to ignore the comments posted by others before me...a lot of them because I can agree with them, ashanthi's, because I don't see the point in answering her, Aadhavan's, because of all the legal lingua franca.

My belief is that it is right that the government agreed to provide this particular LTTE member with access to health services in Colombo. It's not just a matter of allowing the guy to dress up in casuals and catch a bus to Colombo. A prominent LTTE leader cannot move about in the country just like that owing to the conditions on ground. (Although the CFA does really allow that) The govt., of course, has to provide security, and that's where the controversy eally is; not in access to medical care.

One reason is, like someone pointed out, the Rajapakse govt. believes that the members of LTTE, just like any other person, are citizens of Sri Lanka and hence own the right to
everything that every other citizen does.

In addition, I think that a govt. looking to negotiate peace will have to allow things like these. Not quite expecting that the enemy will stop al hostile activities altogether. But simply to prove their stance.

By the way, some people are reall scared that if the LTTE gave up arms, Sri Lankan authorties will massacre them. Don't you think actions like this give out an answer to such fears?

-ssk

ashanthi said...

whether my argument that you commented as both 'anon' and 'aadhavan' , is strong and plausible given the facts involved, and whether your explanation is even remotely credible is a judgment readers can make for themselves.

s/nut - are you saying that i am anon and aadhavan??? F^&$%$%ing hope not@!

I wouldn't call my comments weak just because you don't agree with them. I think the way you write is quite pedantic and obviously I am not - this reflects in our writing styles. I'm not going to change mine regardless of how often you try to ridicule me, Ok, so stop being a bully and put up with it :-). Also - don't butt into a conversation that I'm having with Keshi - her and I are big girls, we don't need you jumping in with your 2 cents and don't you dare take sides, you know it will only make me more angry with you :-)

As for my Dayamaster comment which you ranted on about - sorry I still want to know what he looks like. Go visit Tamilnet - apparently you and a couple of your mates were protesting about him being given safe passage, rah, rah, rah ... along with other "extremeists" - however, did T/net (as opposed to T/nut, that's your psuedo tamil name) show us a picture of a sickly old man in need of medical attention? No. So why is it that T/net will not show his picture?

PS - what do you think about the UN & HRW conference that is coming up in London, on 5/8/06, I think you should go to it & face up to your responsibilities as a Sri Lankan. Would also give you an opportunity to meet first hand those who have differing opinions to you. Who know who you might run into, hmmm???

Let me know your thoughts.

ashanthi said...

oh sorry and the anon before s/nut's comment - yes, agreed, please don't answer me ... I prefer it that way numbskull,

lol... bloody big-headed anon's I'd ban them from blogs if I could :-)

Only I was a proper anon, who achieved recognition as one ... all these imposters since then - bah humbug...

Keshi said...

Sittingnut I figure that so many of ur readers here r pro-LTTE. So it's really hard for me to sit here and argue that 'child abuse is child abuse irrespective of it's nature - emotional/physical'...

Most of the readers here seem to cheer the LTTE on it's emotional raping of kids to believing that hatred is the only way, that death is the solution, that self-destruction is the way. They r marring so many childhoods and no one seems to realise that - it's so very sad!

Ashanthi dear I find it hard to believe a well-educated, sensible girl like u could confuse whatever I said to be this:

**You have just insulted so many people, however, you are a reflection on how accepting Sri Lankans of child abuse.

I did not say ALL Sri Lankans r child abusers, did I? This is the 2nd time u confused what I said to be something else :) Girl u have got to read my comments thoroughly b4 replying to them. TC.

Keshi.

sittingnut said...

ssk:
thanks for the comment :-)
By the way, some people are reall scared that if the LTTE gave up arms, Sri Lankan authorties will massacre them. Don't you think actions like this give out an answer to such fears?
quite right

ashtanthi:
still no answer to my question on child abuse.

s/nut - are you saying that i am anon and aadhavan??? F^&$%$%ing hope not@!
you should really read before commenting, otherwise you will get confused as in here.
the passages you imagine were addressed to you were addressed to aadhavan (anyone actually reading my comment would have had no trouble differentiating the portion of my comment addressed to you from portions addressed to others). it was aadhavan who posted as an anon on an earlier thread. and it was his arguments that were weak ( yours are just incomprehensible and confused) .

i will butt in and point out your distortions when you willfully distort other ppls comments here, just bc you do not have the ability to address their arguments, you do not have a right to distort their comments.

So why is it that T/net will not show his picture?
you better ask them. they i think posted one yesterday.

Would also give you an opportunity to meet first hand those who have differing opinions to you.
i meet lot of ppl who have different opinions from me. i as you know do not live in tiger controlled territory, here ppl can express their ideas freely.

keshi :
hello mate.:-)
Sittingnut I figure that so many of ur readers here r pro-LTTE.
actually only a few are pro ltte. most (if we go by numbers not the length of their comments ) are not pro ltte.

you are right. it is sad that some ppl choose to cheer on child abuse bc they cannot bring themselves to criticize ltte.

tc

Chaar~Max said...

I actually brought this argument up in one of my posts. This was healthily marketed by TamilNet, that GoSl is complaining about Child Soldiers and turning a blind eye to Child Abuse/Prostitution.

Link 1.

As many of the bloggers in ur comment list have failed to actually comdemn Child recruitment, it makes me wonder who is turning the Blind Eye.

Both are evil, and incomparable, therefore you cant cover one thing, by another. All I'm saying is it's rather Ironic the LTTE, brings up Child Abuse and Child Prostitutes to cover up their evil's, specially when they threaten to kill the children, if they don't join. And mind me they keep their word.

Link 2.

I also like to add that the LTTE said "Thank You" by bumping off 12 Soldiers of an Army Patrol in Mannar.

sittingnut said...

thanks for the comment and links. :-)

Both are evil, and incomparable, therefore you cant cover one thing, by another
right you are

Keshi said...

**some ppl choose to cheer on child abuse bc they cannot bring themselves to criticize ltte.


lol yep, thats it and how pathetic is that!


Keshi.