tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post117313076473449982..comments2023-10-15T16:52:02.319+05:30Comments on Lanka Libertarian: ordination of children - a human rights violation?sittingnuthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08409176960405641998noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-34749598768607910022009-03-26T16:29:00.000+05:302009-03-26T16:29:00.000+05:30Hi Your Articles are Looking GoodGood Site Regards...Hi Your Articles are Looking Good<BR/><BR/>Good Site <BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/><BR/>http://www.visitkandysrilanka.com/<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.visitkandysrilanka.com/" REL="nofollow"> http://www.visitkandysrilanka.com/</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-3835502523542127092007-04-29T18:40:00.000+05:302007-04-29T18:40:00.000+05:30in many ways, the same impetus is at play.romantic...in many ways, the same impetus is at play.<BR/>romantic, utopian, 'revolutionary' movements and established, institutional religions all love children -- because they believe easily. And commit whole heartedly.<BR/><BR/>thats the the thing, and it's sad.Pradeep Jeganathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13765243575408356312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-1173278361624940542007-03-07T20:09:00.000+05:302007-03-07T20:09:00.000+05:30Hi, interesting writing, but could you please Capi...Hi, interesting writing, but could you please Capitalise the beginnings of sentences and other instances like nouns etc? It'd be very helpful and make for an easier read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-1173229750346796792007-03-07T06:39:00.000+05:302007-03-07T06:39:00.000+05:30Dili ( i posted the same reply in your blogs too):...<B>Dili </B>( i posted the same reply in your blogs too):<BR/>thanks for expressing your views.<BR/><BR/>i do not think and did not say that children are being forced into ordination. problem is that even when they are making a free choice they are not competent to make that decision. as i said in the post "ordinations commit the children to rules of behavior and a path of life before they are able to fully understand or to freely decide on, the implications of such rules and that path....ordained child is trapped in a way of life without his informed consent"<BR/><BR/>you say<BR/><I>...i never saw him complain of not being able to bed down with a girl.You cant stop them guys, that would be taking away their human rights too</I><BR/>we do ( at least try to) stop children from making certain decisions even if they like it ( having sex , cutting school, work, etc for instance) . even a parent cannot permit a minor do certain things even if both parent and child like to do it.<BR/><BR/>it doesn't matter that most children ordained do not speak ill of the practice ( as i said some of the respected monks who were ordained as children support it ). as long as some of them are trapped in a life without any choice when they become adults.<BR/>human rights violation here is that the children's ability to decide how they live as adults is lost before they are able to make an informed decision .<BR/>--<BR/><BR/>i do consider buddhism to be a religion for all practical purposes. since this post is not about it i will not go in to it here. besides i already had several discussions on that topic already. <A HREF="http://llibertarian.blogspot.com/2005/08/book-baton.html#c112566938629037924" REL="nofollow">here</A> for instance<BR/>--<BR/>a true atheist will have to live in a world without universally accepted absolute moral values. ( good and bad , right and wrong cannot be separated through objective scientific methods ). i agree that some so called atheists do not recognize this fact. <BR/>--<BR/><BR/><B>voice in colombo:</B><BR/>thanks for the comment<BR/>i do understand you point about the origin or definition of human rights: who decides what is a human right and what isn't ?<BR/>that is valid question. if we continue on that path we have to ask other such questions- who decides what is good and what is bad? we will eventually end up with free for all moral relativism. i personally have no problem with it. but while logical it is not a place most ppl prefer to go to.<BR/>-<BR/>on the other hand in the real would we deal with rights defined in constitution, universal declaration, convention on the rights of the child etc. i think this practice do violate them. <I>some</I> of the other examples ( those dealing with humans esp) you bring forward probably do as well.<BR/>-<BR/>your point about culture and tradition is also valid. laws after all should take account of the traditions. on the other hand we have discarded some traditions. we have to decide whether this is a tradition we have to keep or discard.(imo discard) that is why i said i would welcome a properly argued justification from someone who completely support this.<BR/><BR/><B>dinidu de alwis</B><BR/>thanks for the clarification<BR/><BR/>i do think ppl should shout 'their arses off' when it comes child recruitment by terrorists. i don't think we should get into same kind of passion for this. but this too should be discussed ( and imo stopped)sittingnuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08409176960405641998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-1173151800906851552007-03-06T09:00:00.000+05:302007-03-06T09:00:00.000+05:30Clarification: The comparison between conscription...Clarification: The comparison between conscription into <I>Sangha Sasana</I> and the LTTE/Karuna conscription, is actually a comparison how how people react to it.<BR/><BR/>The GoSL, NGOs, Tom, Dick and Harry shout their arses off the moment Children/Conflict are mentioned. My point was, nobody gives a shit about this issue kiyala...Dinidu de Alwishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17754820570092160503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-1173151137447144722007-03-06T08:48:00.000+05:302007-03-06T08:48:00.000+05:30I too agree ordination of children is kind of a hu...I too agree ordination of children is kind of a human right violation. Both your and chappafine's posts got a very good point in that sense.<BR/><BR/>My concern is, the definition of "human rights". We say ordination of children is a violation of human rights, based on the definitions created for some other purposes. (Like war, good governance, etc)<BR/><BR/>But, have some one defined "human rights" in a religious context?<BR/><BR/>Then how do we explain Christian baptism? Other Islamic rituals? And, Islamic code for how women should dress etc etc? Aren't they also violations of human rights, under the same definition?<BR/><BR/>Few years back, some people raised the question whether using elephants in Kandy Perahera is a violation of animal rights or not. (Ironically, again they were linked to NGO's!) But, they never questioned the bull fighting festivals in Spain is a violation of animal rights or not. Bull fighting is a cultural symbol in Spain, and Kandy Perahera is a cultural symbol in Sri Lanka.<BR/><BR/>So, from the surface, though we see ordination of children as a violation of human rights, we have to look at the deeper aspects too, before drawing conclusions. The society is build up on so many traditional, cultural customs like this. We can't expect to eliminate such things overnight, by just pointing out human rights laws. May be in another 50 years, there will be laws to govern ordinations, baptism and all other religious activities. 50 years ago, being a black man in America was a sin. But, things are different now.Voice in Colombohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14964480433037179536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13644607.post-1173151046442220612007-03-06T08:47:00.000+05:302007-03-06T08:47:00.000+05:30Cant put everything i wanna say here .Click HERE a...Cant put everything i wanna say here .<A HREF="http://dilispeak.wordpress.com/2007/03/06/a-dilispeak-ordination-of-children/" REL="nofollow">Click HERE</A> and see my view of the scene.Dilihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02949326041219059436noreply@blogger.com